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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 17 September 2015 22:56:54(UTC)
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Nothing about the new decoder 3 in the new locomotives?
I suppose Märklin must first change the work toy,to fix better placement for the new speaker generation decoder 3?
Maybe next Nurnberg messe 2016 will shows up that?
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 18 September 2015 07:41:06(UTC)
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I suppose Märklin must first change the work toy,to fix better placement for the new speaker generation decoder 3?
The speakers they ship with separate decoders are not the speakers they install into locos. No need to change the speaker location.

Customers will tell us which decoders they find in their locomotives.
Is the new decoder ready for mfx+?
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#3 Posted : 18 September 2015 08:20:15(UTC)
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Is the new decoder ready for mfx+?

Refer CV50 bit 4
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Offline supermoee  
#4 Posted : 29 September 2015 10:27:35(UTC)
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Nothing about the new decoder 3 in the new locomotives?


Hello,

AFAIK the new Insider 18.5 39030 and the Br50 with tender cab 37835 have the Gen 3 decoder. You can easily recognize them because these are the only decoder with mfx+ and DCC protocole.

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#5 Posted : 29 September 2015 11:52:03(UTC)
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You can easily recognize them because these are the only decoder with mfx+ and DCC protocole.
Since DCC is not documented in the product database for those locos, you cannot easily tell this before the locos are available. And then we still have to wait until someone buys them and tries DCC.

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Offline supermoee  
#6 Posted : 29 September 2015 13:04:01(UTC)
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Hello Tom,

the DCC funcionality is clearly readable in the manual of the 18.5 39030 you can download from the Märklin Webpage (as far as you are an insider)BigGrin

For the 37835 are already existing experiences in stummi forum which are confirming the DCC funcionality despite of the non mention of it in the manual.

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#7 Posted : 29 September 2015 15:08:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Nothing about the new decoder 3 in the new locomotives?


Hello,

AFAIK the new Insider 18.5 39030 and the Br50 with tender cab 37835 have the Gen 3 decoder. You can easily recognize them because these are the only decoder with mfx+ and DCC protocole.

rgds

Stephan


The current (non version 3) decoders have both mfx and DCC protocols. mfx+ is only a small tweak on mfx in terms of the decoder itself. Most of the heavy lifting is done in the cs2.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 29 September 2015 17:03:58(UTC)
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the DCC funcionality is clearly readable in the manual of the 18.5 39030 you can download from the Märklin Webpage (as far as you are an insider)BigGrin
No case to show off - outsiders can download the manual, too. Cool

So far the "manual method" has a success rate of 50 %. The manual may be available for download before a loco ships, but it comes a long time after the announcement of the model.

So far there is no method I would call "easy" that allows to tell early whether a new loco comes with the new decoders and/or with DCC support.
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#9 Posted : 29 September 2015 17:41:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: supermoee Go to Quoted Post
the DCC funcionality is clearly readable in the manual of the 18.5 39030 you can download from the Märklin Webpage (as far as you are an insider)BigGrin
No case to show off - outsiders can download the manual, too. Cool

So far the "manual method" has a success rate of 50 %. The manual may be available for download before a loco ships, but it comes a long time after the announcement of the model.

So far there is no method I would call "easy" that allows to tell early whether a new loco comes with the new decoders and/or with DCC support.


We were told at the Treff that no locos will be shipped with new decoders until next year, so any loco available between now and Christmas will not have them.

I would expect that locos fitted with the v3 decoders will be annotated as such in the 2016 new Items brochure, with an icon in the same way that mfx and mfx+ fitted locos are marked now, at least for 2016, and porobably 2017, or some other time when the decoders are classed as 'cheap enough' to totally replace the existing decoder lines, which I expect will continue on in 36xxx series and bottom end 37xxx locos for quite some time.
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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 29 September 2015 18:59:43(UTC)
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The new generation decoder is more advanced than the old and better.
Märklin will do present new locomotives with the new decoder 2016.
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Offline supermoee  
#11 Posted : 30 September 2015 15:19:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


I would expect that locos fitted with the v3 decoders will be annotated as such in the 2016 new Items brochure, with an icon in the same way that mfx and mfx+ fitted locos are marked now, at least for 2016, and porobably 2017, or some other time when the decoders are classed as 'cheap enough' to totally replace the existing decoder lines, which I expect will continue on in 36xxx series and bottom end 37xxx locos for quite some time.



Hello,

Märklin never noted the decoder generations in any brochure till yet. Only the funcionality. Even further, they distinguished the after market prduct mSD/mLD clearly from the serial equipment. They never mentioned, that serial locos were equipped with mSD/mLD decoders even if the hardware was the same.

So I do not see any reason why they should start now.

rgds

Stephan
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