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Offline Token  
#1 Posted : 16 September 2015 02:51:20(UTC)
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For those who may be interested, a further gem from my favourite channel;

Kriegslokomotiven

Regards,

Michael.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#2 Posted : 17 September 2015 02:07:40(UTC)
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How did they get those multi-exposure shots (about 2 minutes:00) into the movie before the digital age???

And in the closing minute, unusual square variation on the tub tender.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#3 Posted : 17 September 2015 04:57:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
How did they get those multi-exposure shots (about 2 minutes:00) into the movie before the digital age???

And in the closing minute, unusual square variation on the tub tender.

regards
Kimball


Hi Kimball,

Great footage I agree, I just love that old technical stuff ThumpUp

Perhaps it has had a recent edit with a good program to maintain the old look !?
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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Offline BrandonVA  
#4 Posted : 17 September 2015 20:15:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
How did they get those multi-exposure shots (about 2 minutes:00) into the movie before the digital age???


Kimball,

Sometimes it's done by double exposing the film, although looking here I think that it is actually just an optical effect, some kind of filter in front of the lens, something like a fly. The bluring on the edges gives it away. Something like this link, but with a different pattern. I apologize if your post was in jest.

I think the shot at the end was probably done with some sort of overlay effect from negative cutting. I don't doubt the number of locos produced, something about it just looks a bit off.

What I think is truly impressive is the optical quality of lenses used in this era.

-Brandon




Offline kimballthurlow  
#5 Posted : 18 September 2015 00:55:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
How did they get those multi-exposure shots (about 2 minutes:00) into the movie before the digital age???


Kimball,

Sometimes it's done by double exposing the film, although looking here I think that it is actually just an optical effect, some kind of filter in front of the lens, something like a fly. The bluring on the edges gives it away. Something like this link, but with a different pattern. I apologize if your post was in jest.

I think the shot at the end was probably done with some sort of overlay effect from negative cutting. I don't doubt the number of locos produced, something about it just looks a bit off.

What I think is truly impressive is the optical quality of lenses used in this era.

-Brandon


Hi Brandon,
No the comment was not done in jest, and I concur that your explanation is most likely spot-on.
I also agree with your observation on lenses - the Germans were superb.

Regards the shot at the end, you can tell they have doubled up somehow on the images, because the same drivers appear over and over.

I have an anecdote - in the 1980s/90s I worked for a Japanese optical company, which was formed in 1932.
I visited their factory in northern Tokyo a few times.
On one occasion, they were refurbishing one of the lens grinding rooms, and it was explained to me that the machinery in there was purchased from Germany when the factory started in 1932.
It was also explained that the quality of lens produced would be impossible to replicate with modern techniques.
(Glass quality also plays a part).
But at this time, the factory was interested in producing more, and the German machines may take 2 days to grind a lens (200 at a time).
Using modern machines, they could do it a lot quicker.
They were not discarding the German ones, just doing a new layout to incorporate more grinders.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline analogmike  
#6 Posted : 18 September 2015 03:34:09(UTC)
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great stuff! they just don't build em like they used too. mikey
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Offline BrandonVA  
#7 Posted : 18 September 2015 14:14:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

Regards the shot at the end, you can tell they have doubled up somehow on the images, because the same drivers appear over and over.

I have an anecdote - in the 1980s/90s I worked for a Japanese optical company, which was formed in 1932.
I visited their factory in northern Tokyo a few times.
On one occasion, they were refurbishing one of the lens grinding rooms, and it was explained to me that the machinery in there was purchased from Germany when the factory started in 1932.
It was also explained that the quality of lens produced would be impossible to replicate with modern techniques.
(Glass quality also plays a part).
But at this time, the factory was interested in producing more, and the German machines may take 2 days to grind a lens (200 at a time).
Using modern machines, they could do it a lot quicker.
They were not discarding the German ones, just doing a new layout to incorporate more grinders.

regards
Kimball


Kimball,

Good catch with the driver, you looked closer than I did.

Thank you for the story about your previous company. I would be happy to go on a tangent about vintage optics, but I think that would be unfair to the topic of this thread.

So, instead, some prototype details (according to Wikipedia anyway):

DR/DB class BR52:
Units produced: Approx 6719!
Years Produced: 1942-1950 (6300 units from 1942-1945, the remaining units produced after 1945)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRB_Class_52

Also of interest (to me anyway):

"In the early post-war years the 52s were used by many European countries, the largest user being the Soviet Union which had more than 2100 of this type. Poland was another country with more than a thousand and East Germany had about 800 examples. The type was also quite widespread in most of the other east European nations. West European countries replaced them with more modern locos as soon as possible, with the exception of Austria where they were used until 1976. The simplicity and effectiveness as well as the large production number meant that many east European countries were slow to withdraw Kriegslokomotiven, with Poland using them until the early 1990s. Turkey and Bosnia were also late users of the type."

Imagine that, a run of almost 50 years in Poland.

As a number of manufacturers produced these, I wonder which we see in the film? Probably no way of knowing.

-Brandon


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