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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#1 Posted : 01 September 2015 10:51:26(UTC)
madhu.gn.71

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Hello all,

Finally the time has come for me to buy a 'real' steam loco with tenderLove . In past 3 years, I've been purchasing startup and my world series. Currently I have 6 digital engines (3 BR 89, 2 DHGs and 1 fictitious firewehr engine), 2 other H0s and I'm very happy with these. However I've always felt something was missing in these as they support only controllable headlights and ABV adjustments. Many of the function buttons on my MS2 are still unused:)
I think it's time for me to upgrade to a "professional" Maerklin steam engine that supports most of the functions like
Headlight(s), Smoke generator, Steam locomotive op. sounds , Locomotive whistle, Direct control, Sound of squealing brakes off , Engineer’s cab lighting
Whistle for switching maneuver , Flickering Light in Fire Box, Letting off Steam, Sound of coal being shoveled, Grate Shaken, Air Pump, Water Pump and
Injectors. If the loco supports at-least 80% of these functions, I'm okay with that.
Could you suggest me a Loco which costs less than 200 Euroes and yet supports majority of these functionalities? I'm not particular about any era or the catalog year. All I need a fully functional, heavy, digital steam engine. Any recommendation is much appreciated.

Regards,
Madhu

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Offline Shamu  
#2 Posted : 01 September 2015 10:57:55(UTC)
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Hi Madhu,

I think for the money you are wanting to spend I would imagine that it would be best to keep a eye out for one of the loco's from the more recent starter sets.

You should be able to find a BR50, BR03 fairly easily although you may have to search for awhile to find one for the money. There was one on Oz ebay but i think it has finished.
Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#3 Posted : 01 September 2015 11:26:40(UTC)
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Thank you Shamu for that info. Could you mention the Maerklin Item code for the BR's you mentioned?
Regards,
Madhu
Offline NS1200  
#4 Posted : 01 September 2015 12:09:04(UTC)
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Try Marklin 36243,the Baureihe 24 with sound functions.
Official price Euro 189.99,probably less on internet.
It is a small loco with nice detail.

I recently bought 39103 for less than Euro 200 on ebay.de,it has full sound and came factory new.

http://www.wisi-siegele....n_39103_2004_10_28_a.jpg

Aim for the not so recent Marklin releases,saves you a lot of money.

Paul.
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 01 September 2015 14:02:18(UTC)
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I echo Paul's suggestion of the 36243. I have one on it's way to me from Lokshop for a price much less than 200 euro. (136.53 euro without VAT)

Apart from being a proper steam tender engine with full sound functions it's actually a very cute looker too!

Ray
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 01 September 2015 18:40:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I echo Paul's suggestion of the 36243. I have one on it's way to me from Lokshop for a price much less than 200 euro. (136.53 euro without VAT)

Apart from being a proper steam tender engine with full sound functions it's actually a very cute looker too!



I would also add my recommendation for a member of the Br24 family. The 36243 is nice in that it has the recent technology advances, whereas an old version like a 3003 is basic and doesn't have the facility to fit a smoke generator (it can be done but not easily).

And I also like it for its looks. Its German nickname of Steppenpferde (Prairie horse) fits it well, and it really is a cute locomotive. I am hoping that Marklin will bring out a version of the 3624x series with the larger tender like the 30032 to complement the series.


Over in a thread about finding photos of items
(which seems to have died back in February, anyone care to revive it?) there is a photo of a prototype Br24 with large tender. I haven't gone researching it but it seems that there was maybe only one Br24 ever used with a large tender.

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Offline Shamu  
#7 Posted : 02 September 2015 02:21:09(UTC)
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Yes I would certainly have to agree with the lads about the BR24, it just didn't occur to me that it would be so reasonably priced considering it has all the bells and whistles so to speak LOL.

Also I went off on a tangent thinking you were after a large steamer. If you did want to go for one from a starter set there are no separate numbers for them only the "set" numbers....... normally 29xxx.

In retrospect I'd go for the 36243 ThumpUp. I'd get one myself if it had Wagner smoke deflectors.
Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
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Offline Wildrose-Wally  
#8 Posted : 02 September 2015 02:39:16(UTC)
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Marklin item # 36243

Prototype: German Federal Railroad (DB) class 24 steam passenger locomotive with a tender. Standard design locomotive with Witte smoke deflectors. The locomotive looks as it did around 1960/61.

t4_36243.jpg

Model: The locomotive has an mfx digital decoder and extensive sound functions. It also has a special motor in the boiler. 3 axles powered. Traction tires. The boiler is constructed of metal. The triple headlights change over with the direction of travel, will work in conventional operation, and can be controlled digitally. Maintenance-free, warm white LEDs are used for the lighting. The smoke unit contact is on continuously. The 72270 smoke unit can be installed in the locomotive. There is a close coupling with a guide mechanism between the locomotive and the tender. There is a close coupler with an NEM pocket and a guide mechanism on the rear of the tender. There is a close coupler in an NEM pocket on the front of the locomotive. Length over the buffers 19.4 cm / 7-5/8".

Functions:
Headlight(s)
Smoke generator contact
Steam locomotive op. sounds
Locomotive whistle
Direct control
Sound of squealing brakes off
Bell
Whistle for switching maneuver
Letting off Steam
Air Pump
Sound of coal being shoveled
Grate Shaken
Injectors
Generator Sounds

Highlights:
•Locomotive includes an mfx decoder and a variety of sound functions.
•Detailed, affordable beginner's model with extensive features.

MSRP: 189,99 EUR
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#9 Posted : 02 September 2015 05:26:07(UTC)
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Thank you all for your valuable inputs. So I might finalize 36243. I hope it is heavy and sturdy. I would either look for ebay deals or lokshop.de and hopefully post my pic under "show us your locomotives purchase 2015" thread soon.

I understand that I should purchase 72270 + smoke fluid separately and install myself on this loco.

Best Regards,
Madhu
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Offline NS1200  
#10 Posted : 02 September 2015 07:58:37(UTC)
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Madhu,

36243 is not heavy and sturdy!
It is an example of the Marklin new generation,rather fragile with nice detail.
Note the Br 24 was a branchline locomotive used for passengers and freight,sometimes in combination.
It was not used for fast trains on the mainlines.

A Br 24 with 4 axle tender from the archives:

http://www.s1gf.de/index...5de9907cf45af9b0a275ea41

You have plenty of time to sort it out,no need to hurry!

Paul.
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Offline RayF  
#11 Posted : 02 September 2015 10:43:01(UTC)
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As Paul says, the newer generation of Marklin locos are not as sturdy as the old ones. They are more accurate and have more detail than their predecessors and these details can be more easily damaged.

However they are still fairly heavy and not as fragile as some other models. This model of the Br24 has a metal boiler, which even the old Marklin model (3003) did not have.

If it is important to you that the model be bullet-proof then I would recommend instead a model that originated in the 80s or 90s, which are still sometimes available new in Starter sets. The Br01.10 steamers are a good example of a fast passenger type, or perhaps one of the Br44 models for freight. The class 01, 03, 41, 50 and a couple of others have been updated recenty with new toolings and are smashing models, but less robust than the older versions.
Ray
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Offline NS1200  
#12 Posted : 02 September 2015 13:55:21(UTC)
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The Br24 is a nice little beauty allways worthwile to have in your collection.
You could get used to all the soundfunctions before buying the ultimate expresstrain steamer.
There is plenty of choise,see also ebay.de and search for Marklin dampflok (=steamloco).
In case of doubt,please ask,we are here to help.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...3964?hash=item35f040528c
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline mbarreto  
#13 Posted : 02 September 2015 18:01:30(UTC)
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You may also consider one of the BR85 from the 37098 set. They don't have cabin light and the detail is smaller than the new models, but they look good anyway.
Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#14 Posted : 02 September 2015 22:02:15(UTC)
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Speaking of the Br24 series of locos, an example is this months wallpaper.

I assume it is the 36243, but I haven't tried to verify the betriebs number of it against the 36243.

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Offline NS1200  
#15 Posted : 03 September 2015 17:14:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of the Br24 series of locos, an example is this months wallpaper.

I assume it is the 36243, but I haven't tried to verify the betriebs number of it against the 36243.



Yes,it is the 36243,cabin number 24 041.
You can see this when opting for the HD version of the September screensaver.

Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#16 Posted : 08 September 2015 11:13:45(UTC)
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Thank you once again for your suggestions. I've finalized on 36243 considering the price and the features it has. My friend will be buying it in Stuttgart for 169 euros (minus 19% VAT).


Could you validate if my understanding on the smoke unit is correct?
"I should buy 72270 separately plus 02420 liquid" correct?"

Also is this "one size fits all" concept when it comes to Maerklin's smoke attachment? I should be able to use this attachment on all Locos which support smoke emission, correct?

Regards,
Madhu
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#17 Posted : 08 September 2015 13:10:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: madhu.gn.71 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you once again for your suggestions. I've finalized on 36243 considering the price and the features it has. My friend will be buying it in Stuttgart for 169 euros (minus 19% VAT).


Could you validate if my understanding on the smoke unit is correct?
"I should buy 72270 separately plus 02420 liquid" correct?"

Also is this "one size fits all" concept when it comes to Maerklin's smoke attachment? I should be able to use this attachment on all Locos which support smoke emission, correct?

Regards,
Madhu

as far as I know there are 2 smoke kits - 72270: the smaller unit that fits from below-you need to remove the body of the loco; and 7226: the larger dia. unit that fits into the smoke stack from above.
I should imagine that the BR 24 body should not be too much of a pain to remove to fit the 72270....
Joe

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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#18 Posted : 08 September 2015 13:43:25(UTC)
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Thank you Joe.
Sorry for so many questions. When I downloaded the 36243_betrieb.pdf, I noticed that "Smoke Generator" is always on. So does this mean that when the Loco runs out of Smoke Fluid, I should remove the 72270 unit out from the loco?

Regards,
Madhu
Offline kiwiAlan  
#19 Posted : 08 September 2015 15:39:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: madhu.gn.71 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you Joe.
Sorry for so many questions. When I downloaded the 36243_betrieb.pdf, I noticed that "Smoke Generator" is always on. So does this mean that when the Loco runs out of Smoke Fluid, I should remove the 72270 unit out from the loco?

Regards,
Madhu


No, it just means it will stop smoking. It should be quite happy in this state.

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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#20 Posted : 08 September 2015 15:50:10(UTC)
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@KiwiAlan, the reason why I asked that question was in one of the instruction manuals http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/36243_betrieb.pdf I saw the following text.


2015-09-08 19_17_40-https___medienpdb.maerklin.de_product_files_1_pdf_29240_betrieb.jpg
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#21 Posted : 08 September 2015 16:52:07(UTC)
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...must admit, first time I've seen this.....my buddy has the 36243, and I'm sure he can control the smoke unit from his MS2-switch on/off. Don't quite know what they mean by "always on"; ...I will check with my buddy....
Joe
Offline H0  
#22 Posted : 08 September 2015 17:16:56(UTC)
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A user on Stummi's Forum showed pictures of the tender PCB from both 36242 and 36243.
He writes that with a soldering iron you can easily relocate a wire in the tender of the 36423 to make the smoke generator digitally controllable.

See here:
http://www.stummiforum.d...c.php?p=1431078#p1431078

The red wire has to be moved from AB1 at the top to A8 at the bottom of the pictures.
Regards
Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#23 Posted : 08 September 2015 17:52:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
A user on Stummi's Forum showed pictures of the tender PCB from both 36242 and 36243.
He writes that with a soldering iron you can easily relocate a wire in the tender of the 36423 to make the smoke generator digitally controllable.

See here:
http://www.stummiforum.d...c.php?p=1431078#p1431078

The red wire has to be moved from AB1 at the top to A8 at the bottom of the pictures.


If it is that simple, why didn't Marklin set it up like that ??? Zero cost extra feature !!!Confused
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Offline H0  
#24 Posted : 08 September 2015 18:25:36(UTC)
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If it is that simple, why didn't Marklin set it up like that ??? Zero cost extra feature !!!
I don't know.
They made the smoke generator controllable with 36242, but that was an MHI model.
Regards
Tom
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Offline mbarreto  
#25 Posted : 08 September 2015 18:38:00(UTC)
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In the operations manual for the 36243 it says F1 controls the smoke generator contact and it also shows how to install the smoke generator.

The link to the manual:
http://medienpdb.maerkli.../1/pdf/36243_betrieb.pdf

It is weird there needs to be done modifications to the loco in order to install and control the smoke generator if the manual shows the installation is straightforward... Almost unbelievable, but unfortunately only "almost".

Edit: The manual specifies the smoke contact is always on. This means it is not controlled by F1 as I previously wrote.
Best regards,
Miguel
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Offline H0  
#26 Posted : 08 September 2015 18:45:02(UTC)
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In the operations manual for the 36243 it says F1 controls the smoke generator contact
No. It says "Smoke generator* Always on". Same information in the product database.

Regards
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Offline mbarreto  
#27 Posted : 08 September 2015 19:00:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
In the operations manual for the 36243 it says F1 controls the smoke generator contact
No. It says "Smoke generator* Always on". Same information in the product database.



Right! I did an ultrafast pass in the manual and as it is in the place of F1 I misinterpreted.
Thanks for correction. I edit my previous append.

I don't think it is good to have the smoke device always on because it is energy consumption when it is empty. Obviously not considering here the "realistic look" of control it.




Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline madhu.gn.71  
#28 Posted : 09 September 2015 07:58:40(UTC)
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Has the Jury come to the following conclusions? :)

" 72220 Smoke Unit will be always in 'On' position on 36243"
"it's better to take the unit out when the loco runs out of smoke fluid"

OR

As Tom (H0) mentioned, I can make it digitally controllable so that I need not worry even if the smoke unit sits inside the loco
Offline RayF  
#29 Posted : 09 September 2015 08:39:02(UTC)
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It sounds like the best idea (unless you want to attack the model with a soldering iron) is to either always fill the smoke generator or not install it at all.

I'm not a great fan of smoke units anyway, so I won't be bothering to install one.
Ray
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Offline mbarreto  
#30 Posted : 09 September 2015 15:32:28(UTC)
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The "always on" is what you get from the factory.
Considering you use the loco as it comes from the factory, it is not practical to remove the smoke generator when you are not using it, so keep it there (IMHO). In analog locos it is usual to have the smoke generator retrofitted and many times not have it filled with the smoke liquid. It is just not ideal.
About the change, if you do it you will loose warranty.

Best regards,
Miguel
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#31 Posted : 09 September 2015 15:59:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
The "always on" is what you get from the factory.
Considering you use the loco as it comes from the factory, it is not practical to remove the smoke generator when you are not using it, so keep it there (IMHO). In analog locos it is usual to have the smoke generator retrofitted and many times not have it filled with the smoke liquid. It is just not ideal.
About the change, if you do it you will loose warranty.



Hello Miguel,
36243 does not come with factory fitted Smoke unit as per the PDF manual available from Maerklin site. I've pasted the following instruction snippet from PDF for our info:
• A smoke generator can be retrofitted to the locomotive -also for analog operation.
• Only the smoke, running, and light changeover functions are available in analog operation.


Now I'll come back to my question. Can I do the following?

" 72220 Smoke Unit will be always in 'On' position on 36243"
"it's better to take the unit out when the loco runs out of smoke fluid"

Regards
Madhu
Offline Mark_1602  
#32 Posted : 09 September 2015 16:00:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: madhu.gn.71 Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,

I think it's time for me to upgrade to a "professional" Maerklin steam engine
...
Could you suggest me a Loco which costs less than 200 Euroes and yet supports majority of these functionalities? I'm not particular about any era or the catalog year. All I need a fully functional, heavy, digital steam engine. Any recommendation is much appreciated.

Regards,
Madhu


Hi,

Here's a list of heavy digital steam engines that match your description. These all have full sound and five-pole Märklin drum collector motors, which means that they will last longer than a locomotive with a cheap DC motor. You can get some of these at prices under 200 euros in Ebay auctions, if you track a lot of auctions by activating the Ebay search agent. You'll get an email from Ebay every time there's a new auction and won't miss it, but the whole process requires some patience and time.

Class 52 and old-tooling class 50 are not popular any more, so those are the ones that will be sold at low prices in auctions, but they're still very good locomotives. The cheap 36xxx series usually have a so-called 'special motor' that may not last very long, in some cases even less than 100 hours. Look up the locomotives in the Märklin product database on their website to find out the details.

Class 52:

37154 CFL (2012)
37153 SNCB (2013)
37151 DB (2007)
37150 DB (2013)

Class 50 (old tooling!)

37831 DSB (2010)
37832 ÖBB (2010)
37843 DB (2009)
37848 DB (2008)

The big steam locomotives in the starter sets are also a good idea. Just look up the starter sets in the Märklin database, and you'll find the numbers.

Best regards,
Mark
Best regards, Mark

I like Märklin items produced in the 1960s or early '70s, but also digital locos & current rolling stock.
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#33 Posted : 10 September 2015 06:20:56(UTC)
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Thank you very much Mark for the detailed list. I'm marking the items you had suggested for my subsequent buys. Currently my friend is in Stuttgart and the local dealer is offering 36243 for 170 euroes + 19% VAT deduction. So I assume this should be a decent deal for my first MFX buy.
Best Regards,
Madhu
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#34 Posted : 07 October 2015 13:04:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of the Br24 series of locos, an example is this months wallpaper.

I assume it is the 36243, but I haven't tried to verify the betriebs number of it against the 36243.



Yes,it is the 36243,cabin number 24 041.
You can see this when opting for the HD version of the September screensaver.



If the wall paper picture actually has a 36243, I wonder what the road number of the loco in the set in this link from another thread will be: -

Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

It is just a new starter set with the BR24 and some train / waggon sets:

https://www.facebook.com...0889/?type=3&theater



Offline madhu.gn.71  
#35 Posted : 08 October 2015 05:39:12(UTC)
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I forgot to update the response from Maerklin regarding 36243's Smoke unit. It is official that we SHOULD NOT run the loco without smoke fluid and it can not be digitally controlled. Here is my question and Maerklin's response highlighted in yellow.

Dear Mr. Madhu,

in this model you cannot switch the smoke generator off. The smoke generator cannot be used without any fluid inside. If you run this model on a digital system, you should prefer to use the smoke generator Seuthe no. 24.

Sincerely yours,

Your Maerklin Customer Service
Frank Mayer


Gebr. Maerklin & Cie. GmbH
Customer Service
P.O. Box 960
D-73009 Goeppingen
Phone: +49 7161 608222
Fax: +49 7161 608225
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Vorname: Madhu
Nachname: Gubby Nagaraju

Betreff: Question: Smoke unit 36243

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Dear Team,
In the 36243 PDF brochure, it is mentioned that smoke unit is always on. How can we switch off the smoke unit 72270? Do we have to remove 72270 once the smoke fluid gets empty? Any help is appreciated as we in Maerklin community have a mixed opinion about this. Our fear is that running train without smoke fluid might damage the Smoke unit.
Regards
Madhu
Offline NZMarklinist  
#36 Posted : 08 October 2015 06:42:43(UTC)
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Madhu, All,

The smoke contact will be hot wired to the pick up shoe. Without dismantling my 36241, I am pretty sure it is possible to disconnect the smoker contact from the track power and connect it to a suitable function output (F1).

I (or the Train Dr) will be doing this to my Lok when I /he gets a chance. It's a while since I got this Lok and I checked it out then. I don't recall it being too difficult to sort out Blink I think we will fit a Marklin MSD3 decoder, they do have a suitable sound project for a class 24/64

With the 36243, I wouldn't know if the decoder had a suitable spare aux function to power the Smoker or not.
That is a absolutely the correct information to use a Seuthe 24 for a standard ex factory Lok being operated digitally.
A Seu20 would be fine for analogue only !
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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Offline H0  
#37 Posted : 08 October 2015 07:57:18(UTC)
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With the 36243, I wouldn't know if the decoder had a suitable spare aux function to power the Smoker or not.
It can be done, see post #22.

Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#38 Posted : 08 October 2015 09:44:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of the Br24 series of locos, an example is this months wallpaper.

I assume it is the 36243, but I haven't tried to verify the betriebs number of it against the 36243.



Yes,it is the 36243,cabin number 24 041.
You can see this when opting for the HD version of the September screensaver.



If the wall paper picture actually has a 36243, I wonder what the road number of the loco in the set in this link from another thread will be: -

Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

It is just a new starter set with the BR24 and some train / waggon sets:

https://www.facebook.com...0889/?type=3&theater





Hi Alan,

It's not usual for Marklin to change the road number for a starter set. Sometimes they will do so for a train pack if it has a specific theme, for example a different era or when modelling an actual train.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#39 Posted : 08 October 2015 23:51:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Hi Alan,

It's not usual for Marklin to change the road number for a starter set. Sometimes they will do so for a train pack if it has a specific theme, for example a different era or when modelling an actual train.


maybe, but often the text will state something along the lines of "models only available in set" which I take to mean that they have different road numbers.

I can see that for economic reasons they may not do special road numbers for beginners start sets. Problem is I already have a 36243 about to hit the rails and it would have been nice to have another Br24 with a different number by buying a set like this.

Ah well, can't have everything ... Crying Crying Crying

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#40 Posted : 09 October 2015 02:25:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Hi Alan,

It's not usual for Marklin to change the road number for a starter set. Sometimes they will do so for a train pack if it has a specific theme, for example a different era or when modelling an actual train.


maybe, but often the text will state something along the lines of "models only available in set" which I take to mean that they have different road numbers.

I can see that for economic reasons they may not do special road numbers for beginners start sets. Problem is I already have a 36243 about to hit the rails and it would have been nice to have another Br24 with a different number by buying a set like this.

Ah well, can't have everything ... Crying Crying Crying



Hi Allan,

Dry your eyes little Kiwi Wink

Why not look on ebay for a 36240, they were issued in 2008/14 and should have a different road number, and have Big Ears too ThumpUp
Then install an MSD3 which have a full suite of amplified functions and feed the smoke off F1, then it will work in analogue mode too Wink
Install a Seuthe 20 or M 72270, Job done !

or you could look here; http://joes-modellbahnla...s/%2236241%20Dampflok%22
or here ; http://joes-modellbahnla...5f08b03b/Products/36242.
36242 had a switchable smoker from the factory, or so the description indicated, but you'd better be quick, cause now everybody knows Scared Wink

Just btw; my 36241 is 24.026 Blink

Best of luck Woot
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline kiwiAlan  
#41 Posted : 09 October 2015 11:02:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Hi Alan,

It's not usual for Marklin to change the road number for a starter set. Sometimes they will do so for a train pack if it has a specific theme, for example a different era or when modelling an actual train.


maybe, but often the text will state something along the lines of "models only available in set" which I take to mean that they have different road numbers.

I can see that for economic reasons they may not do special road numbers for beginners start sets. Problem is I already have a 36243 about to hit the rails and it would have been nice to have another Br24 with a different number by buying a set like this.

Ah well, can't have everything ... Crying Crying Crying



Hi Allan,

Dry your eyes little Kiwi Wink

Why not look on ebay for a 36240, they were issued in 2008/14 and should have a different road number, and have Big Ears too ThumpUp
Then install an MSD3 which have a full suite of amplified functions and feed the smoke off F1, then it will work in analogue mode too Wink
Install a Seuthe 20 or M 72270, Job done !

or you could look here; http://joes-modellbahnla...s/%2236241%20Dampflok%22
or here ; http://joes-modellbahnla...5f08b03b/Products/36242.
36242 had a switchable smoker from the factory, or so the description indicated, but you'd better be quick, cause now everybody knows Scared Wink

Just btw; my 36241 is 24.026 Blink

Best of luck Woot


yeah, I have a 36241 somewhere, and according to DHL my 36243 is on its last leg of the journey along with the lufthansa yellow and white snake and some other bits Drool , and I have a number of the 3964x family as well, so its mostly crocodile tears at the moment.

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Offline baggio  
#42 Posted : 10 October 2015 01:02:22(UTC)
baggio

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Latest news: I just bought the loco, took it home and I love it!!!!

I will give more details in my next post.

BigGrin
Offline baggio  
#43 Posted : 10 October 2015 05:06:35(UTC)
baggio

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Well, here is a video of the new baby.

It's a really good buy for the price. The sounds are great and it looks really cute.

The speed is not high, on the slow side in fact, but so was the prototype (90 km/h max according to the booklet that came with it).

However, this is not the type of loco you want to run fast. You want to enjoy the sounds and watching the train nicely go around.

One oddity: as you look down on the loco, in the middle you can see the inside of the loco. It is empty and probably that is where the smoke unit will go.

The lights are very nice, seem more like the old Marklin lights than led lights.

Overall, a pleasure to own for a price that makes it (almost) affordable. BigGrin

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#44 Posted : 10 October 2015 05:16:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Hi Alan,

It's not usual for Marklin to change the road number for a starter set. Sometimes they will do so for a train pack if it has a specific theme, for example a different era or when modelling an actual train.


maybe, but often the text will state something along the lines of "models only available in set" which I take to mean that they have different road numbers.

I can see that for economic reasons they may not do special road numbers for beginners start sets. Problem is I already have a 36243 about to hit the rails and it would have been nice to have another Br24 with a different number by buying a set like this.

Ah well, can't have everything ... Crying Crying Crying



Hi Allan,

Dry your eyes little Kiwi Wink

Why not look on ebay for a 36240, they were issued in 2008/14 and should have a different road number, and have Big Ears too ThumpUp
Then install an MSD3 which have a full suite of amplified functions and feed the smoke off F1, then it will work in analogue mode too Wink
Install a Seuthe 20 or M 72270, Job done !

or you could look here; http://joes-modellbahnla...s/%2236241%20Dampflok%22
or here ; http://joes-modellbahnla...5f08b03b/Products/36242.
36242 had a switchable smoker from the factory, or so the description indicated, but you'd better be quick, cause now everybody knows Scared Wink

Just btw; my 36241 is 24.026 Blink

Best of luck Woot


And now they're sold out (36242) Sad

Any body on the forum get one ? Smile
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline Goofy  
#45 Posted : 10 October 2015 09:41:29(UTC)
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I would wait to buy an steam locomotive from Märklin,since there is new generation decoder.
Wait until about Januar 2016 when you get more information from Märklin.
H0
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#46 Posted : 10 October 2015 11:19:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post

And now they're sold out (36242) Sad

Any body on the forum get one ? Smile


The 36242 was sold out about this time last year, in preparation for the 36243 to be introduced.

Offline baggio  
#47 Posted : 12 October 2015 16:02:51(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
The smoke contact will be hot wired to the pick up shoe. Without dismantling my 36241, I am pretty sure it is possible to disconnect the smoker contact from the track power and connect it to a suitable function output (F1).


Following up with this helpful suggestion given by Glen, I was advised in our Italian cousin forum that it may be possible using a relay to allow the smoke unit to take power directly from the third rail. This would avoid overloading the decoder itself. (I am not sure if this suggestion clashes with Glen's, however.)

Also, in the same forum, someone else indicated that if you solder the cable from AB1 to A8, this would resolve the problem. That same person indicated that the F1 function could be used by activating a contact there.

All of the above is absolutely over my head and have no clue as to what it means Confused Confused , other than one thing: fixing this problem may be fairly easy for someone who is comfortable with electronics.

I will ask Mike at Westend Trains and am confident that he will know what to do and will report in due course.

Finally, thank you, Mahdu, for raising this issue and contacting Marklin on point. Much appreciated. BigGrin
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Offline H0  
#48 Posted : 12 October 2015 18:17:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Also, in the same forum, someone else indicated that if you solder the cable from AB1 to A8, this would resolve the problem.
Click on the link in post #22 and you can find a picture where you can see AB1 and A8. These are simply solder pads on the loco board - one is always on, one is controlled by F1. Just move the red wire from AB1 to A8 (requires a hot soldering iron).
A single smoke generator will not overload an mfx decoder, no relay needed.

If you ask someone to do the soldering for you, give them a link to the photos or a printout.
Regards
Tom
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Offline baggio  
#49 Posted : 17 October 2015 01:45:06(UTC)
baggio

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Update on smoking unit of the Prussian prairie (36243)

Well, thanks to everyone's support, I did take the plunge and brought today the "baby" to Dr. Mike for the transplant of the smoking unit and the resoldering of the limbs. Ex machina will be ready in about a week. I'll let everyone know the outcome.

BigGrin

(Special thanks to Ho who pointed out to me post no. 22 of ben 1980_1, whom I thank as well, obviously.)

Silvano
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#50 Posted : 17 October 2015 12:17:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
The smoke contact will be hot wired to the pick up shoe. Without dismantling my 36241, I am pretty sure it is possible to disconnect the smoker contact from the track power and connect it to a suitable function output (F1).


Following up with this helpful suggestion given by Glen, I was advised in our Italian cousin forum that it may be possible using a relay to allow the smoke unit to take power directly from the third rail. This would avoid overloading the decoder itself. (I am not sure if this suggestion clashes with Glen's, however.)

Also, in the same forum, someone else indicated that if you solder the cable from AB1 to A8, this would resolve the problem. That same person indicated that the F1 function could be used by activating a contact there.

All of the above is absolutely over my head and have no clue as to what it means Confused Confused , other than one thing: fixing this problem may be fairly easy for someone who is comfortable with electronics.

I will ask Mike at Westend Trains and am confident that he will know what to do and will report in due course.

Finally, thank you, Mahdu, for raising this issue and contacting Marklin on point. Much appreciated. BigGrin


Hi Baggio,

A relay is one way of doing it, but the relays usually draw a few amps themselves, so require an amplified aux output anyway, so best is just to use an available spare, amplified aux output of the decoder and connect the smoke unit to that and then map it accordingly.
All four aux's on msd's are amplified, not so on Loksound, in which case use a 21 pin decoder and the ESU 51968 decoder adapter that has one or two extra function outputs amplified if you need them Wink
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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