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Offline Nite0wls  
#1 Posted : 30 August 2015 21:18:22(UTC)
Nite0wls

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Dear all,

been a long time not been busy with model railroad stuff and now finally picked up the thread to convert the last locs to digital.

I've 3 locs remaining that are in need of modification and still have their original engine and switch relays.

Without converting the engine to a HP engine, what would be today's equivalent for a 6080 decoder?

I've been to long out of touch with the digital stuff and a lot has changed.

I run on a Control Unit (6021) and I have 60901 decoders, Delta decoders and C80 (6080) decoders
So what is the current available selection?
Code:

Model		Colour	        Type		Marklin code	Orig Motor	High Perf	Notes
DHG500		Yellow	        Diesel Loc	3080						60943	   Requires Model Alteration
V100		Red				Diesel Loc	3072						60944	   Requires Model Alteration
DB212 349-5	Blue / Yellow	Diesel Loc	3377 (3072)					60944	   Requires Model Alteration


Thanks for your time
Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 30 August 2015 22:13:51(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: Nite0wls Go to Quoted Post
Without converting the engine to a HP engine, what would be today's equivalent for a 6080 decoder?
Nothing from Märklin (since the 66032 was discontinued).
You can use Tams LD-W decoders.

I would get an ESU magnet and ESU decoder for locos that need grinding or other modifications to fit a Märklin HEP.

Tams is much cheaper and if your satisfied with a 6080, that should suit you.
Which controller do you have? No more DIP switch, the decoder may need some programming.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 31 August 2015 03:18:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Which controller do you have?


Originally Posted by: Nite0wls Go to Quoted Post
I run on a Control Unit (6021).......
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Bigdaddynz
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2015 07:59:32(UTC)
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Thanks, David. Sometimes it would help to read the question twice.

A CU 6021 will be able to program a Tams decoder.
The manuals I got from them had four languages. Their website currently is German only and provides only German manuals. I do hope the decoders still include English manuals.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Nite0wls  
#5 Posted : 01 September 2015 23:52:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Thanks, David. Sometimes it would help to read the question twice.

A CU 6021 will be able to program a Tams decoder.
The manuals I got from them had four languages. Their website currently is German only and provides only German manuals. I do hope the decoders still include English manuals.


Thanks for the reply,.

I am able to understand German, been a while but good practice BigGrin

I've just converted 4 locs with a 90601 set, sadly the engines didn't fit, so I only used the decoders Crying another £20 for the right engines and they now run like a charm. Another 4 locs to go, of which one is a total wreck, just ordered the spare parts required to get that one back on track it's over 50 years old (probably older than you I am lol)

Thanks once more for the advice
Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 02 September 2015 07:56:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nite0wls Go to Quoted Post
I've just converted 4 locs with a 90601 set, sadly the engines didn't fit, so I only used the decoders
Just to make sure: if you need a decoder that works with the motors from the 60901 sets, then do not get an Tams LD-W decoder (BTW: LD-W-32 is the only LD-W they have currently listed).

The Märklin 60942 or 60972 could be used. There are ESU decoders and ESU boards with 21MTC sockets that can also be used.
I prefer
Just in case you one day will convert some newer locos where the 60901 motor will fit.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Nite0wls  
#7 Posted : 05 September 2015 22:06:24(UTC)
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I'm actually putting 60943 and 60944 engines in the locs that are left to convert that is where I need the decoders for.

BTW I only can install a decoder that has the size of the direction relais as there isn't any more space than that available.
Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline Nite0wls  
#8 Posted : 05 September 2015 23:19:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: Nite0wls Go to Quoted Post
Without converting the engine to a HP engine, what would be today's equivalent for a 6080 decoder?
Nothing from Märklin (since the 66032 was discontinued).
You can use Tams LD-W decoders.

I would get an ESU magnet and ESU decoder for locos that need grinding or other modifications to fit a Märklin HEP.

Tams is much cheaper and if your satisfied with a 6080, that should suit you.
Which controller do you have? No more DIP switch, the decoder may need some programming.


I'm having a hard time to locate their website, can one point me in the right direction please?

regards

Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2015 07:25:09(UTC)
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They launched a new site a few weeks ago:
http://tams-online.de/

On the old site they had an English page that provided some manuals. It seems the new site is all German so far.
The LD-W-32 is the only LD-W decoder in the current range. I didn't find an English PDF on their site.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Nite0wls  
#10 Posted : 06 September 2015 16:11:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
They launched a new site a few weeks ago:
http://tams-online.de/

On the old site they had an English page that provided some manuals. It seems the new site is all German so far.
The LD-W-32 is the only LD-W decoder in the current range. I didn't find an English PDF on their site.


On the download section you can find on the actual products LD-G-3X+ which has German, English, Dutch and French manuals. Fortunately for me 3 languages I can read and understand BigGrin

I was thinking of the LD-G-34+ which has the highest current output of 3A and 500 mA for the function.
Seen the size of the decoder itself I wouldn't have a problem fitting it (I think / hope)
Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 06 September 2015 16:27:28(UTC)
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Only the LD-W decoders can be used without motor conversion. For the LD-G decoders you will need a permanent magnet or the Tams LRA.
1 A should be enough for H0 motors (the croc 3015 has a gauge I motor and draws a bit more).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Nite0wls  
#12 Posted : 06 September 2015 18:33:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Only the LD-W decoders can be used without motor conversion. For the LD-G decoders you will need a permanent magnet or the Tams LRA.
1 A should be enough for H0 motors (the croc 3015 has a gauge I motor and draws a bit more).


Thanks for the info, I get the difference regarding the W/G version

LD-W = Wechselstrom = Alternate Current
LD-G = Gleichstrom = Direct Current

Like I said, all my engines that I converted run now on High Performance Engines all with a DC engine. The LD-G-34+ will do fine
Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
Offline Shamu  
#13 Posted : 07 September 2015 01:55:09(UTC)
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There is also the option of These Decoders that could be worth looking at.

I don't recall if Kim had any success with them but it could be worth sending him a PM to find out what the results were.
Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
Offline Nite0wls  
#14 Posted : 07 September 2015 09:33:46(UTC)
Nite0wls

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Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post
There is also the option of These Decoders that could be worth looking at.

I don't recall if Kim had any success with them but it could be worth sending him a PM to find out what the results were.


Thanks for the info on this!


Thanks and warm regards!
Rudy
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