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Offline vandermerwe  
#1 Posted : 23 August 2015 14:59:22(UTC)
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Still learning about digital. I have 14 of a larger collection of Marklin locos that have a "Model Tronix Digital" sticker on the Marklin box. In the list of loco addresses my late father has prefixed each address with MT (Model Tronix) suggesting to me that there is something different about the decoder in these locos.
I have a Piko and Fleischmann loco with this sticker on the box and these work perfectly with a 6021 controller with dip switches 1,2,3 on and 4 off.
All the Model Tronix Marklin locos do not respond at all. I have tried the 6021 dip switches 1,2,3 on 4 off ; 2 on 1,2,3 off; and 1-4 all off. Absolutely no response at all . Pressing Function does nothing, no lights.
I have tested 12 of these locos so I think it is unlikely this is anything other than a decoder and user issue. There is probably a simple explanation.
All of the non Model Tronix digital locos work perfectly on the same layout.

I think the Model Tronix digital aftermarket digital replacement /modification probably happened in South Africa.

Has anyone seen this. I don't really want to have to send them all to Marklin.

Edited by user 23 August 2015 22:48:30(UTC)  | Reason: Watch topic, spelling

Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 23 August 2015 16:11:04(UTC)
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Haven't heard of Model Tronix. This sounds like locos that were originally analogue have had decoders fitted, by your father.

Personally I would fit ESU Lokpilot or Loksound decoders to these locos if you cannot find details of these, but others may have other ideas about what you could do.

Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2015 16:26:21(UTC)
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Model tronix digital is for industry.
They produce weigh controller in digital.
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DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2015 16:45:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Model tronix digital is for industry.
They produce weigh controller in digital.


Hmm, I suspect you have found Avery Weigh Tronix which produces some weighing scales.

The only Model Tronix I have found is a company based in Dubai.

Offline vandermerwe  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2015 16:54:26(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies
Yes they are definitely not industrial weighing controllers.
6 of the locos are indeed in boxes that are not digital and clearly these have been converted.
The other 6 that don't work are in Marklin Digital HO boxes, I suppose they may have been repaired at some point.

The Piko and fleischmann are digital locos.

A couple of the boxes have LokPilot/Loksound leaflets in them suggesting that ModelTronix is/was a company and fitted LokPilot decoders.

It is very odd that NONE of the Marklin locos work.

I think I will send one or two to Marklin, I am not yet experienced enough to fit my own decoders.

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2015 17:42:32(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: vandermerwe Go to Quoted Post
I think I will send one or two to Marklin, I am not yet experienced enough to fit my own decoders.
Maybe we can help you if you show some pics of the decoders in the locos.

Märklin surely can install new Märklin decoders into your locos.
Maybe you can find someone in England who can install decoders quicker and cheaper.

Regards
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Offline vandermerwe  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2015 19:42:34(UTC)
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I hope these get attached

The few locos I have opened all have similar decoders.

I guess I will have to learn how to do it.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 23 August 2015 20:29:34(UTC)
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I've never seen such decoders before.
Are there any inscriptions beside "(c)MTx"?

Are you sure your father operated those locos with the CU 6021?

General advice:
Some decoders won't work if red and brown are swapped. Red goes to centre rail, brown to outer rails.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 23 August 2015 20:49:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vandermerwe Go to Quoted Post


I think I will send one or two to Marklin, I am not yet experienced enough to fit my own decoders.


Don't do that yet, there are a goodly few of us in the UK with digital experience.

But having said that, I don't recognise those decoders either.


Offline vandermerwe  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2015 20:50:23(UTC)
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Yes they don't look like any of the decoder a I've seen online.
I am not sure bout the operation of these locos, you are possibly correct as in his database of locos, these all had their digital addresses prefixed by MT ( I think this must have been the company that modified them). He did not have any other controller.
As I said in my first post there is a Piko and a fleischmann loco which have the same decoders which work perfectly.

Thanks for your input.
Offline steventrain  
#11 Posted : 23 August 2015 21:26:31(UTC)
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Is the decoder from Minitrix or Trix?
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Offline vandermerwe  
#12 Posted : 23 August 2015 22:18:00(UTC)
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No.
The decoders are in Marklin HO locos. I think they have been inserted in South Africa by a company called Model Tronix Digital. They dont seem to be from Trix although I'm not sure what their decoders look like.

What is puzzling me most is not that I don't know what decoders these are but why ALL of them don't work.

I have opened a few more locos and all the decoders look similar.IMG_1137.JPGIMG_1139.JPGIMG_1138.JPG
Offline Purellum  
#13 Posted : 23 August 2015 22:27:13(UTC)
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Could it be "Model Tronic" ??

My friend Google tells me that there is a Spanish company by that name, and also that they once produced a diesel sound unit for H0.

EDIT: I see now the sticker which clearly says "Model Tronix".

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Offline vandermerwe  
#14 Posted : 23 August 2015 22:46:00(UTC)
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The Fleischmann loco, which is also Model Tronix, but works, has a LokPilot decoder in it, it's not possible to see the decoder as it is tightly bound in a plastic shield, but there are LokPilot instructions in the loco box. The installations all look very professionally done.
Hopefully someone from South Africa will chime in.
I am trying to contact someone in SA who may shed some light on it.

Thanks again for all the replies.
Offline vandermerwe  
#15 Posted : 24 August 2015 00:31:15(UTC)
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HO, thank you.
When I first read your General Advice, I thought , no I wired the tracks correctly and everything else has been running anyway. Fortunately I checked.
I feel like rather an idiot.
With the greatest humility thank you to all who have replied.

I will still try to find out what the decoders are.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 24 August 2015 18:21:28(UTC)
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can you read the writing on the top of the large IC? that may give us a clue once we know what it is.

It isn't showing up in the photos because the writing is laser engraved, and unless you get the light absolutely right angle it doesn't show in a picture.

Actually, don't worry, i managed to enlarge one f the pictures and can see it says PIC16F something, which is a microprocessor, so it does seem to be a decoder of some sort, but I suspect it is a DCC decoder rather than a Marklin Motorola format decoder.
Offline vandermerwe  
#17 Posted : 24 August 2015 18:37:09(UTC)
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These decoders were locally made in Johannesburg, South Africa and seem to be unbranded. I gather they are not that good and it is extremely difficult to make any changes to them. Most users who had them have had other, better decoders installed.

Now I just need to find someone in the UK who installs decoders.
Offline MikeR  
#18 Posted : 24 August 2015 21:35:11(UTC)
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You are correct that these decoders were made in SA some years ago. I have a number of my locos with these decoders. I also have the documentation on how to change these decoders which I am happy to send through to you.
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