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Offline steventrain  
#1 Posted : 12 October 2008 23:30:55(UTC)
steventrain

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I have the 7286 turntable with 7686 Digital Retrofit Set to connect the CS2 but nothing working.

It did work with 6021/6040.

Anyone know how to work with CS2?
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Offline jeehring  
#2 Posted : 12 October 2008 23:52:18(UTC)
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Problems with digital , often come from : electrics connexions or addresses...a matter of decoder switchs ?
Offline laalves  
#3 Posted : 13 October 2008 00:21:16(UTC)
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Hi Stephen,

From what I've read in stummi, you're not doing anything wrong, TT control is not yet working, although Märklin says it does.

I haven't read a single report of success in what concerns that. I haven't been able to test it myself, since I have converted my TT with a Lopi, meaning it works like a loco.
Offline Nigel Packer  
#4 Posted : 13 October 2008 01:19:52(UTC)
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I have the 7286/7687 turntable working perfectly with my CS2. I didn't have to change anything from my previous 6040 set-up (ie no re-programming of the turntable).

The only difference I have noticed compared to using a 6040 is that you need to press the direction button before selecting the track you want the turntable to position to. The direction arrow does not remain highlighted after the turntable has rotated.

Nigel
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 13 October 2008 02:03:21(UTC)
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how long ago did it work with the 6021 ? When I had the 7687 I found it would forget its programming and I eventually gave up on it and switched to using a k84 instead. http://layout.mixmox.com...igitizing_turntable_7286

If it still works with the 6021 then it is something else, such as addresses/connections etc. as suggested.
Dale
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 13 October 2008 11:28:00(UTC)
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To use turntable decoder 7687,you must set keyboard nr 15 first at CS2 and reprogrammed it too.

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Offline Nigel Packer  
#7 Posted : 13 October 2008 12:33:06(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />how long ago did it work with the 6021 ? When I had the 7687 I found it would forget its programming and I eventually gave up on it and switched to using a k84 instead. http://layout.mixmox.com...igitizing_turntable_7286

If it still works with the 6021 then it is something else, such as addresses/connections etc. as suggested.

Hi Dale,
Actually, I originally had my turntable working with an Intellibox, and then with the CS1, though that was a little irritating as the CS1 (2.0.4 version) has no support for the turntable and doesn't allow you to press a "red" button multiple times without pressing the coresponding "green" button each time. This is no use when each button moves the turntable to a different track.

In both cases, I have used a 6040 set to address 15. I had heard reports about unreliability of the Digital turntable, and I have a spare 7687 box in case of problems, but my turntable has always worked flawlessly, and it is actually one of my favourite components. My turntable is vintage 2000, and I think it was manufactured after the various bug-fixes had been developed. It needed a few minutes running-in before its operation was smooth, but apart from that it's been fine!

Best regards,

Nigel
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 13 October 2008 17:05:28(UTC)
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yes mine also worked fine at first. Then I packed it away while I built the layout and it seems it lose its ability to keep its configuration as it aged. If you use it regularly you may prolong its life. Same thing happened to my Minolta 35mm camera - after a year or so of no use, the capacitors lost their effectiveness.
Dale
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 14 October 2008 16:24:30(UTC)
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I have test it but the green/yellow light bringking for about five/six time then goes off.

Anyone know how to wiring to CS2?

It didn't work with another transformer for the TT.
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#10 Posted : 14 October 2008 20:49:54(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />I have test it but the green/yellow light bringking for about five/six time then goes off.

Anyone know how to wiring to CS2?

It didn't work with another transformer for the TT.


I haven't changed my wiring at all from before. I originally connected the 7687 as shown in the instructions (Picture 1, the version for Digital locos). At first, I had this connected to the output from my Intellibox. Then I changed the connection so that it was connected to the output of my CS1, but still used the 6040 via the IB and the sniffer input to the CS1. Now I have it connected to the output of the CS2.

In all these cases, the turntable has worked well with no problems. I had the 6040 set to address 15, which is how the 7687 is wired by default, and panel 15 on the CS2 keyboard is already defined for turntable use. The first time I tried it, it just worked!

Nigel
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#11 Posted : 15 October 2008 21:55:09(UTC)
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Do I gather that the CS2 manual does not tell/show you to to connect the TT to the CS2.Also has the English manual been released to down load.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline Nigel Packer  
#12 Posted : 16 October 2008 20:41:19(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
<br />Do I gather that the CS2 manual does not tell/show you to to connect the TT to the CS2.


Not specifically. You just follow the wiring diagram supplied with the turntable (or with the 7687 if you have the 7286 TT). As I said before, I didn't have to change anything from my setup before I got the CS2.

Nigel
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Offline steventrain  
#13 Posted : 29 October 2008 17:39:42(UTC)
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Hi,

It work now with CS2 at last!
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#14 Posted : 29 October 2008 17:56:55(UTC)
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so what, if anything, did you change ?
Dale
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Offline steventrain  
#15 Posted : 29 October 2008 18:29:15(UTC)
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It didn't work.
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It work with extra brown wiring from separate transformer.
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I check the CS2 and didn't see a problem.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#16 Posted : 29 October 2008 20:06:18(UTC)
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that would explain it! - electricity can only flow when there is a circuit and the first diagram essentially has no power connected (only a single yellow wire)
nice diagrams !
Dale
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#17 Posted : 29 October 2008 20:41:05(UTC)
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Please can you tell me what is the gray Marklin box that the cables go into from the TT
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline laalves  
#18 Posted : 29 October 2008 21:17:01(UTC)
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I'm not sure about shunting the ground output from the CS2 with the 6002 ground... Apparently, the CS2 wants to be isolated from all grounds.
Offline steventrain  
#19 Posted : 29 October 2008 21:22:26(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
<br />Please can you tell me what is the gray Marklin box that the cables go into from the TT


The 7286 turntable came with fitted with 'colour' cable from under centre of TT with a plug to connect the marklin grey 7686/7687 decoder.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#20 Posted : 29 October 2008 21:30:50(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br />I'm not sure about shunting the ground output from the CS2 with the 6002 ground... Apparently, the CS2 wants to be isolated from all grounds.
That is also my understanding Luis.... Are we wrong confused
Pål Paulsen
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#21 Posted : 29 October 2008 23:08:50(UTC)
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So if you connect the TT to a 7686 OR 7687 decoder how does it work .I just use the small little hand controller that came with the TT
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
<br />Please can you tell me what is the gray Marklin box that the cables go into from the TT


The 7286 turntable came with fitted with 'colour' cable from under centre of TT with a plug to connect the marklin grey 7686/7687 decoder.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline laalves  
#22 Posted : 30 October 2008 01:54:23(UTC)
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I wasn't obviously disputing the need of connecting ground from the 6002 trafo to the decoder.

I don't know about the internal connections in the decoder, but maybe it's possible not to shunt both grounds (6002 and 60213) on the outside of the decoder?
Offline steventrain  
#23 Posted : 30 October 2008 11:27:39(UTC)
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It was a 6003 240v transformer.
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#24 Posted : 30 October 2008 21:07:49(UTC)
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How does the TT work if you connect it to a 7686/7687 and you are using a CS1.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline steventrain  
#25 Posted : 30 October 2008 21:16:23(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
<br />How does the TT work if you connect it to a 7686/7687 and you are using a CS1.


You mean 60212 CS1?, It don't support with TT.
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#26 Posted : 01 November 2008 14:20:04(UTC)
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Many thanks Steven.

I will have to make up my mind up date the CS1 or buy the CS2 next september. I must admit I can not get my head around having bought some thing that wont be updated by the manufacturer . In the photographic world a Hasselblad or SINAR or Nkon that is 35 years old will still work with the new things thay bring out today .[:(][:(]
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline jonas_sthlm  
#27 Posted : 14 January 2009 21:08:21(UTC)
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Hello this evening
I like to ask a question if anyone has got a confirmation from Märklin that this is the right way to connect Turntable with CS2?

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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#28 Posted : 05 May 2009 01:22:31(UTC)
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Hello
Is there anyone who can explain how to sign CS2 with 7686 as the instruction is for older digital systems [:I]
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#29 Posted : 05 May 2009 02:54:14(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
<br />How does the TT work if you connect it to a 7686/7687 and you are using a CS1.


You mean 60212 CS1?, It don't support with TT.


At least not until the 60212 is updated with the ESU v3 update.
Offline jonas_sthlm  
#30 Posted : 05 May 2009 11:00:52(UTC)
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Sorry I mean 7686 together with CS2

I don’t get programmed button inside CS2 to work if following the manual how is writhed for the older Digital system before CS1.

It says that the devices only can program layout the first 5 sec when the system is starting.
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