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Collector		#1 Posted : 30 August 2016 23:21:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Hi All! Have decided after all those years out of the hobby to get back in and start buying some locomotives! Anybody Got a 39112 / 39121 / 37349 or 37343 ? If you do, particularly if it has been bought from an official North American Marklin Dealer, would you be so kind to post some pictures of the boxes and the flaps which show Marklin's date and print code as well as the bottom of these very lovely locomotives? I am looking to buy some of these but want to establish where they were produced before I purchase them. Am also looking to see what I can learn from the codes on the boxes and the serial numbers, so if yours was sourced elsewhere please also post! Also if someone has already posted pics of a box and flap of locomotive you have can you please also post and/or confirm what the codes, stickers and serial on your box and locomotive are? Would really like to get to the bottom of this! Many Thanks! Mike
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Bigdaddynz		#2 Posted : 30 August 2016 23:26:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		I think my 39121 came via the US. It has a 'Made in Hungary' sticker on the bottom of it.
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Collector		#3 Posted : 30 August 2016 23:37:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I think my 39121 came via the US. It has a 'Made in Hungary' sticker on the bottom of it. Great!! Could you please post some pics? Want to see if I can decipher the codes given enough of them
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Bigdaddynz		#4 Posted : 31 August 2016 01:29:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		When I get home tonight I will.
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Bigdaddynz		#5 Posted : 01 September 2016 12:02:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Pictures of 39121 and 43854 boxes 39121 43857
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Collector		#6 Posted : 01 September 2016 12:54:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Thank You VERY much!! Now I am hoping some of the other members here have some of the other models
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Bigdaddynz		#7 Posted : 01 September 2016 22:00:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Im fairly sure 37349 is the Republican 4/4 I I that I have. If I recall correctly 37343 is the earlier version of which Marklin did not produce very many. I know there are folks on the forum who have this Loco. As for 39112 I don't have it, I have the Tee Rheinpfeil 29540 set with Loco and coaches.
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Collector		#8 Posted : 02 September 2016 00:05:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Im fairly sure 37349 is the Republican 4/4 I I that I have. If I recall correctly 37343 is the earlier version of which Marklin did not produce very many. I know there are folks on the forum who have this Loco. As for 39112 I don't have it, I have the Tee Rheinpfeil 29540 set with Loco and coaches. Republican? That rheinpfeil 29540 set has a railing under the windshield whereas the 39112 has not. The 39112 is mfx+ My current info leads me to believe that 29540 set has a loco made in hungary and coaches made in china Any chance of some pictures of the box/bar and print codes of that set? Any ideas if Marklin sells the shells as spare parts and what they would roughly cost? The chassis on a 37014, which I think is in your Rheinpfeil set, and a 39112 and 39121 seems identical to me
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Bigdaddynz		#9 Posted : 02 September 2016 00:35:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Collector Republican? Dang autocorrect / predictive spelling on my cellphone! Should read Re 4/4 II!
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Collector		#10 Posted : 02 September 2016 02:03:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Collector Republican? Dang autocorrect / predictive spelling on my cellphone! Should read Re 4/4 II! Don't you just love that modern technology? In the mean time I found out a 39121 shell costs 120 euros inc VAT The question now is if it would fit a 39112 chassis because the 39121 has a C Sinus motor and the 39112 being brand new and current, obviously has not! Any ideas?
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 02 September 2016 03:34:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		I guess it will depend on whether the mounting point for the screw is in the same place or not. I don't have a 39112 so can't tell, but if someone who does can post a picture of the underneath of the body with a ruler next to it, then I can do the same with my 39121. We recently had a clinic at our club on the E10 series of locos, so a number of models were brought along. This photo has my 39120, 39121 locos and 29540 set together with other Marklin E10 models. 39121 is the cream/blue loco sitting over the double set of bridge supports on the module (centre foreground of the picture) and the Cobalt Blue 39120 is two locos to the left. The 29540 set is in the background.
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Bigdaddynz		#12 Posted : 02 September 2016 12:59:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Collector Any chance of some pictures of the box/bar and print codes of that set?
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Collector		#13 Posted : 02 September 2016 16:54:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Thanks David! That Spur I stuff is lovely but the 2 wagon sets and the loco gets you to a train of 5.25 metres?? The amount of space you need for a layout to do that justice! Not to mention I think the list price for the whole set was, what, 4000 euros ex VAT or so?
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TEEWolf		#14 Posted : 02 September 2016 22:05:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Rheinpfeil Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Im fairly sure 37349 is the Republican 4/4 I I that I have. If I recall correctly 37343 is the earlier version of which Marklin did not produce very many. I know there are folks on the forum who have this Loco. As for 39112 I don't have it, I have the Tee Rheinpfeil 29540 set with Loco and coaches. Your picture of the Rheinpfeil box shows the article # 26540. By such a nice collection of DB BR E 10 I can get jealously, but I doubt it very much, that you bought the starterset 29540. This looks quite different to a Rheinpfeil. After a very short waiting time of 9 months I coud buy from Märklin the 43857 Rheinpfeil for my E 103.1 (article # 37576). Since yesterday I got a new problem. I saw the newbies for fall 2016 with the new LH airport express (article # 26680) and the E 103 first time with mfx+! Sorry, that was a typo - should be 26540 of course! /BDNZ Edited by moderator 03 September 2016 04:42:10(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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TEEWolf		#15 Posted : 02 September 2016 22:31:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Collector Any ideas if Marklin sells the shells as spare parts and what they would roughly cost? Find them not at Märklin but at ebay. People buy or want an awful lot of money for them. Perhaps you may explain me why? I do not understand this. The chassis on a 37014, which I think is in your Rheinpfeil set, and a 39112 and 39121 seems identical to me I do not think that they are identical, because they have different colours, decoders, motors, etc. Perhaps similar but not identical. And the major differnce you wrote already by yourself. The 39112 is the first E 10 with an mfx+ decoder and is at the moment the only one buyable. The others are sold out.
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Collector		#16 Posted : 03 September 2016 04:16:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Collector Any ideas if Marklin sells the shells as spare parts and what they would roughly cost? Find them not at Märklin but at ebay. People buy or want an awful lot of money for them. Perhaps you may explain me why? I do not understand this. The chassis on a 37014, which I think is in your Rheinpfeil set, and a 39112 and 39121 seems identical to me I do not think that they are identical, because they have different colours, decoders, motors, etc. Perhaps similar but not identical. And the major differnce you wrote already by yourself. The 39112 is the first E 10 with an mfx+ decoder and is at the moment the only one buyable. The others are sold out. Which is why I wanted to buy a 39112 and a 39121 shell and swap it. I should have said the shell looks identical. In the exploded parts drawing with the spare parts list Marklin uses the same drawing I think and then states the actual model may be (slightly) different. Tooling is very expensive so Marklin makes lots of slightly different variations by having different road numbers or colours. Because they put in another motor the chassis will be different but I suspect the screw point could still be the same because if you design a new chassis and want to put another motor in itit makes sense to make that design change in such a way that you do not have to change the mold for the shell. If that makes sense. Official price for a shell for a 39121 is 119.95 including the VAT. So deduct the VAT and some discount and the price is not too bad. Forget about eBay for this one! Or are you saying they are cheaper on eBay??
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H0		#17 Posted : 03 September 2016 08:33:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Hi! I know that Märklin had to change the frame and body of the BR 218 when they switched from high-price motors to cost-optimised motors. You cannot swap shells between old Seetal crocs and new Seetal crocs. Speculation leads nowhere and someone has to try whether shells can be swapped between older E 10.3/E 10.12 (C Sine) and recent models. The explosion diagrams are not helpful. There are explosion diagrams for five-pole 37xxx locos where the diagram still shows a three-pole AC/DC motor (Delta configuration).
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Collector		#18 Posted : 03 September 2016 15:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi! I know that Märklin had to change the frame and body of the BR 218 when they switched from high-price motors to cost-optimised motors. You cannot swap shells between old Seetal crocs and new Seetal crocs. Speculation leads nowhere and someone has to try whether shells can be swapped between older E 10.3/E 10.12 (C Sine) and recent models. The explosion diagrams are not helpful. There are explosion diagrams for five-pole 37xxx locos where the diagram still shows a three-pole AC/DC motor (Delta configuration). Hi Tom, That makes sense unfortunately I don't have those locos yet. Do you happen to know which year Marklin switched from high-price motors to cost-optimized motors? Kind Regards, Mike
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H0		#19 Posted : 03 September 2016 17:20:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Collector Do you happen to know which year Marklin switched from high-price motors to cost-optimized motors? This varied from class to class. The E 10.3 in the 29440 set from 2011 and the 37010 from 2010 had a maintenance-free motor - in the catalogue they use a symbol with 9 stars to indicate three-pole and five-pole motors, but also coreless motors. They usually mention coreless motors in the text ("with bell-shaped armature"). 26540 and 39120 through 39123 had the brushless motors - for those motors they use a symbol with a sine wave in the catalogue.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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Collector		#20 Posted : 03 September 2016 18:17:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Collector Do you happen to know which year Marklin switched from high-price motors to cost-optimized motors? This varied from class to class. The E 10.3 in the 29440 set from 2011 and the 37010 from 2010 had a maintenance-free motor - in the catalogue they use a symbol with 9 stars to indicate three-pole and five-pole motors, but also coreless motors. They usually mention coreless motors in the text ("with bell-shaped armature"). 26540 and 39120 through 39123 had the brushless motors - for those motors they use a symbol with a sine wave in the catalogue. In real life, are these cost-optimized version performing less well? Would you personally prefer a used model with a sine wave and an older decoder and no sound vs. a new one with the latest decoder, sound and a cost-optimized motor?
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H0		#21 Posted : 03 September 2016 23:52:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Collector In real life, are these cost-optimized version performing less well? I am very dissatisfied with the "el cheapo" motors they used for BR 218 and BR 216. The Märklin decoders do not control these three-pole motors sufficiently IMHO. Other folks find that combination acceptable. I do not have any E 10 with cost-optimised motors, so I cannot speak for those. The motors may be five-pole motors and the Märklin decoders usually work better with five-pole motors.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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Collector		#22 Posted : 04 September 2016 00:46:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Collector In real life, are these cost-optimized version performing less well? I am very dissatisfied with the "el cheapo" motors they used for BR 218 and BR 216. The Märklin decoders do not control these three-pole motors sufficiently IMHO. Other folks find that combination acceptable. I do not have any E 10 with cost-optimised motors, so I cannot speak for those. The motors may be five-pole motors and the Märklin decoders usually work better with five-pole motors. Is this except from the control issue you mention also a longevity issue?
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H0		#23 Posted : 04 September 2016 08:20:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Collector Is this except from the control issue you mention also a longevity issue? The new motors are "maintenance free". You cannot clean the collector, you cannot replace the brushes, so you need a new motor when the old motor develops problems. At least this is how it is meant to be. Märklin used many different motors in the past two decades - and many of those are no longer available from the factory. We have seen Märklin models where the worm-drive transported the grease into the motor. Greased brushes soon fill the collector gaps with carbon junk and the motor no longer works properly. Longevity? We read that we can expect about 200 hours from Hornby motors and more than 300 hours from Märklin motors. I don't know when I will need replacement motors for my locos. But I'm afraid many types will be unavailable by the time I need them.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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