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Offline baggio  
#1 Posted : 03 June 2016 05:01:48(UTC)
baggio

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In one posting a short while ago someone mentioned the possibility of swapping decoders in a loco.

I am thinking of having the decoder in a slow loco (Marklin My World) swapped for the same decoder I have in my FS 424, the Italian Stallion that runs like the wind.

If I do that, would my slow "horse" all of a sudden become a race horse? Scared

Somehow, I doubt it, but would like to know if any of you have any ideas on point.

Thanks.
Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 03 June 2016 07:21:35(UTC)
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I don't know if Hobby (My World) and other locomotive decoders can be simply swapped. Either way, they will have settings that have been entered at the factory and will be different depending on the locomotive.
As far as your E424, what decoder did you put in there and did you make any changes to the motor at the time that you did the conversion?

Which My World loco are you referring to? Can you provide the model number or set?

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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 03 June 2016 07:40:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
IIf I do that, would my slow "horse" all of a sudden become a race horse? Scared
Swapping the decoder is like swapping the driver: this may make a difference, but motor and gear remain the same.
The Hobby TRAXX locos are geared for slow running and a new decoder will not make a race-horse.

In most cases soldering is required to replace the decoder of an older Hobby TRAXX loco.

Most likely you will have to live with a loco that only runs at scale speed.
Regards
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Offline baggio  
#4 Posted : 04 June 2016 00:19:13(UTC)
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Thank you all for your feedback. BigGrin

At this point I must ask:

Is there a FAST Marklin loco out there, other than a very expensive TGV?
Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 04 June 2016 00:54:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Thank you all for your feedback. BigGrin

At this point I must ask:

Is there a FAST Marklin loco out there, other than a very expensive TGV?


The early ICE 3370/3770 was pretty fast. The railcar with propellor is also pretty fast.

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 04 June 2016 07:58:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Is there a FAST Marklin loco out there, other than a very expensive TGV?
Is the TGV fast?
My ICE 3 only reaches about 250 km/h scale speed while the prototype had to go 363 km/h during the approval procedure.

I have the BR 120.1 with the Mickey Mouse livery (37535) and she goes faster than the ICE3.
Old model still with DIP switch decoder.

I have a few locos that fall off the track in curves at full speed, including a Roco Taurus and a Primex 141 (converted with a 66032 decoder).
Regards
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Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 04 June 2016 13:15:55(UTC)
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Many of my locos are so fast I don't dare run them at full speed. How fast is fast?
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Offline baggio  
#8 Posted : 04 June 2016 15:31:23(UTC)
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Many of my locos are so fast I don't dare run them at full speed. How fast is fast?


What locos are these, Ray? I am serious, I may want to buy one or two of them. Flapper

The only Marklin loco I do not dare to run at full speed is the FS 424 that Mike converted for me. BigGrin ThumpUp

Two other locos that come close are the Marklin 30000 (that seemed faster, however on the MS1 than on the MS2 I now use) and the yellow loco that comes with starter set 29183. The other four Marklin I have, I always run at full speed without any concerns that they might come off the rail at curves. The analogue 3000 was not particularly fast but a decent runner (some days better than others....) and another similar steam analogue loco was pretty slow and I always ran both at full speed. The smoking loco I just got (36243), is very nice, sounds and all, but is sloooow, to the point that I may want to sell it.

The 2 rail analogue DC locos I have (about 11) are all fast compared to Marklin's and are a pleasure to run, especially considering that all I need to do is put them on the track and off they go!!! Some I do not dare and never have run at full speed. The Italian Piko Expert Taurus (97726), the Roco 41061 Swiss loco I just acquired as part of a set and the Roco E 645.102 Italian loco I bought in Italy in particular.

In this respect, the Roco Ice Train and companion diesel Br 218 (I think) that have decoder - I got them from a starter set - seemed to run faster in digital than analogue - never ran them at full speed in digital - I now gave up on digital 2 rail but kept the locos that are very nice and fast even in analogue. I don't think I ever run them at full speed now even in analogue.

I asked Mike if he knew of fast Marklin locos I could consider and he said no Sad - all Marklin locos are around the same speed, TGV excepted.

As a result, I am thinking of maybe buying a vintage fast loco and have it digitized by Mike. A bit expensive, however, over CAD$300.00 in all Scared

Have a good weekend everyone. ThumpUp
Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 04 June 2016 18:37:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Many of my locos are so fast I don't dare run them at full speed. How fast is fast?


What locos are these, Ray? I am serious, I may want to buy one or two of them. Flapper

...

Have a good weekend everyone. ThumpUp


Well, off the top of my head I would say any of the steamers with big wheels (not the goods engines with smaller diameter wheels), and any of the electrics and diesels with either FCM or DCM motors.

3085, 3005, 3011, 3016, 3034, 3037, 3038, 3039, 3040, 3041, 3074, 3075, 3091, 3092, 3093, 3310, 3390 etc.

Some of the above locos have newer versions with better electronics but still the same motors and gears, so they should achieve the same speeds.

I think you may be experiencing the newer Marklin locos with can motors and worm gears, which are actually designed to run at more realistic speeds which is obviously not what you want. Give some of the locos I've listed above a try; they should run at least as fast as your 3035.
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Offline jvuye  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2016 19:39:56(UTC)
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I don't want to sound too basic, but for most decoders (starting with Märklin 6090s...20 years ago!!) there is the possibility to adjust min and max speed.
I have always found the way to "tune" them to whichever speed I wanted them to run.
So why swapping?
So, I am not sure I understand what's the issue at hand here?
Cheers
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 04 June 2016 19:47:54(UTC)
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So, I am not sure I understand what's the issue at hand here?
He wants to set the maximum speed to 200% or maybe more, not just 100%.

There are several threads about this issue.
https://www.marklin-user...arklin-trains#post508624
https://www.marklin-user...t-for-Speed-Calculations
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Offline jvuye  
#12 Posted : 04 June 2016 19:56:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
So, I am not sure I understand what's the issue at hand here?
He wants to set the maximum speed to 200% or maybe more, not just 100%.

There are several threads about this issue.
https://www.marklin-user...arklin-trains#post508624
https://www.marklin-user...t-for-Speed-Calculations


Ha!! ** Faster** and not **slower**
Sorry mate, can't help here!
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Offline baggio  
#13 Posted : 04 June 2016 20:02:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Many of my locos are so fast I don't dare run them at full speed. How fast is fast?


Well, off the top of my head I would say any of the steamers with big wheels (not the goods engines with smaller diameter wheels), and any of the electrics and diesels with either FCM or DCM motors.

3085, 3005, 3011, 3016, 3034, 3037, 3038, 3039, 3040, 3041, 3074, 3075, 3091, 3092, 3093, 3310, 3390 etc.

Some of the above locos have newer versions with better electronics but still the same motors and gears, so they should achieve the same speeds.

I think you may be experiencing the newer Marklin locos with can motors and worm gears, which are actually designed to run at more realistic speeds which is obviously not what you want. Give some of the locos I've listed above a try; they should run at least as fast as your 3035.


I have gone through about one half of your list, Ray, an so far I found these two to be really nice, thank you:

Steamer - big - vintage - very nice - 3085.jpgElecrtic vintage - 3039.jpg

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Offline baggio  
#14 Posted : 07 June 2016 03:46:33(UTC)
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Well, I was not able to actually SEE more than one loco from the list (I was using Reynauld's as the archive) and I stand by what I said above:
The two locos are the best of the bunch.

Does anyone know how much they would cost to buy?

Thanks.

BigGrin
Offline baggio  
#15 Posted : 07 June 2016 03:48:21(UTC)
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Well, I was able to actually SEE only one more loco from the list (I was using Reynauld's as the archive) and I stand by what I said above:
The two locos are the best of the bunch. ThumpUp

Does anyone know how much they would cost to buy?

Thanks.

BigGrin
Offline river6109  
#16 Posted : 07 June 2016 04:02:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Well, I was able to actually SEE only one more loco from the list (I was using Reynauld's as the archive) and I stand by what I said above:
The two locos are the best of the bunch. ThumpUp

Does anyone know how much they would cost to buy?

Thanks.

BigGrin


do you think when posting your topic twice the locos will go twice as fast LOL , sorry couldn't help it

on the other hand I couldn't tell you whether Märklin or ESU decoders are faster than the other when programming them to the highest speed.


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Offline baggio  
#17 Posted : 07 June 2016 05:01:02(UTC)
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John, are you SURE that the two postings are identical? Confused

There are some differences. Can you tell?

The second one is the good one.

(I had problems with editing that is why you have two similar postings. Blushing )
Offline RayF  
#18 Posted : 07 June 2016 15:45:23(UTC)
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Hi Silvano,

If you want to know which locos belong to the numbers I quoted you can refer to this website:

http://www.modellbahnboerse.org/info.htm

For prices the best way is to look them up on ebay. Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...279be:g:JW4AAOSwOVpXUoRX

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...981b0:g:Ci8AAOSwcvdXPD4-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...eb4af:g:6~YAAOSwYIhWl~Ze

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...163c7:g:eigAAOSwJb9WteLG

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...1a74d:g:w8kAAOSwubRXMhy~

As you can see you can get some of these analogue locos quite cheaply.
Ray
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Offline baggio  
#19 Posted : 08 June 2016 02:03:15(UTC)
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Very nice locos, thank you, Ray.

Perhaps the next time I go to Italy I will check out some neighbourhood flea markets and see what I can grab and then have it digitized.

Incidentally, my most expensive loco is my Italian stallion, FS 424 (cat. no.3035). As in my avatar:
110.00 Euros to buy it (CAD$150.00 at the time, three years ago);
maybe Cad$100.00 to clean it up twice;
about $155.00 to digitiaze it (no sound).

Total over CAD$400.00. Runs like the wind and is my pride and joy. BigGrin Worth every penny. ThumpUp
Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 08 June 2016 07:54:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Very nice locos, thank you, Ray.

Perhaps the next time I go to Italy I will check out some neighbourhood flea markets and see what I can grab and then have it digitized.

Incidentally, my most expensive loco is my Italian stallion, FS 424 (cat. no.3035). As in my avatar:
110.00 Euros to buy it (CAD$150.00 at the time, three years ago);
maybe Cad$100.00 to clean it up twice;
about $155.00 to digitiaze it (no sound).

Total over CAD$400.00. Runs like the wind and is my pride and joy. BigGrin Worth every penny. ThumpUp


There's a whole series of electric locos with metal bodies that use basically the same chassis as your 3035. The exploded diagrams are common to all of those. If you like your 3035 then I would recommend you look for these:

3034 - DB E41 blue
3036 - OBB 1141
3037 - DN E41 green
3038 - SNCF BB9200
3039 - DB E10
3040 - DB E40
Ray
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