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Offline thomas buckley  
#1 Posted : 09 April 2016 17:59:38(UTC)
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which decoder is recommended for 3315 locomotive? what info is needed to make the right choice?
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 09 April 2016 18:17:35(UTC)
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Ask five persons and you will get six different recommendations.
My preference would be ESU LokPilot V4 (without M4). Märklin MLD 60942 will also do for me. I might even use a Märklin 60760 for such a slow loco.
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Offline jvuye  
#3 Posted : 09 April 2016 19:35:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Ask five persons and you will get six different recommendations.
My preference would be ESU LokPilot V4 (without M4). Märklin MLD 60942 will also do for me. I might even use a Märklin 60760 for such a slow loco.


Well tom, I would have said the same...Wink
But I think the ESUs are a little more straightforward to program/tune ...but that's just a personal opinion!

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 10 April 2016 11:02:49(UTC)
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Hi Tom

I think the 3315 is a 5 star locomotive which needs a new motor (Marklin 60941) and a decoder and the total cost may vary from 25 to 125 € or more with ESU+sound
If you have a CS2 I strongly recommend to stay with Marklin decoders for compatibility.
The cheapest w/o sound is the marklin 60760 which includes both a new motor and a simplified digital decoder (w. speed control and regulation and inertia simulation).
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 10 April 2016 11:14:47(UTC)
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I think the 3315 is a 5 star locomotive which needs a new motor (Marklin 60941)
It is a no star locomotive with a three-pole motor.
The five star locos had 35xx numbers.

A motor set 60941 (or 60760) is needed for that loco. I should have mentioned that in my post, but since I wouldn't add a decoder without motor conversion nowadays, I skipped this prerequisite.

Having a Märklin controller is no reason to buy Märklin decoders IMHO.
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Offline franciscohg  
#6 Posted : 10 April 2016 15:46:51(UTC)
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Hi, I do have a Marklin controller and very happy with ESU decoders, I may add that in this case the M4 ones are more friendly to configure.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#7 Posted : 11 April 2016 19:17:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

A motor set 60941 (or 60760) is needed for that loco. I should have mentioned that in my post, but since I wouldn't add a decoder without motor conversion nowadays, I skipped this prerequisite.

Having a Märklin controller is no reason to buy Märklin decoders IMHO.

I agree - I have learned to just upgrade the motors and decoders at the same time for the best results.

I have a related question. I recently upgraded my 3657 with the 60760 set and it runs pretty well now. It runs at a nice constant speed but that decoder seems to have just a few large speed steps and I can not get it to accelerate/decelerate smoothly. From what I have read there are limited CV's available on that decoder and that is not something that I can change.

I assume that eventually I will just replace that decoder with a a LokPilot V4.0. I have done one upgrade already with that decoder, set the CV's with my CS2 and it was all really easy. The 3657 is a nice Lok and I think it is worth the cost of a LokPilot 4 unless there is some way to smooth out its operation using the decoder from the 60760.
Regards,
Jim
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 11 April 2016 20:14:37(UTC)
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I have a related question. I recently upgraded my 3657 with the 60760 set and it runs pretty well now. It runs at a nice constant speed but that decoder seems to have just a few large speed steps and I can not get it to accelerate/decelerate smoothly.
14 speed steps only.
CV 3 allows to set accelerating and braking delay - I use large values around 20 to get it smooth enough.

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Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 11 April 2016 21:37:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
14 speed steps only.
CV 3 allows to set accelerating and braking delay - I use large values around 20 to get it smooth enough.



OK, I will check what that is set to and try a larger value - thanks for that tip. It also seemed like increasing the minimum speed smoothed out the operation, although I had no idea what values made sense for that. I'm sure it varies from lok to lok depending on the motor and drive train.

Regards,

Jim
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#10 Posted : 12 April 2016 00:34:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
14 speed steps only.
CV 3 allows to set accelerating and braking delay - I use large values around 20 to get it smooth enough.

Thanks Tom - that made a very nice improvement.

I had forgotten that I decided to start with the default CV values and I had only changed the values that the CS2 uses. So CV 3 was still set to the default value of 3 which was causing the jerky acceleration. I changed it to 20 and now it operates very nicely, much more like what I had hoped for with the installation of the 60760 set. Great advice.

Best Regards,

Jim

Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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