Unknown model electric confirmed as a 1937-38 HS700.

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kimballthurlow		#1 Posted : 25 October 2015 02:27:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, I came across this model in a sale list, and was wondering if a member might have an idea as to manufacturer or brand. It is OO or HO scale. No other information was given on materials or mechanism. regards Kimball Edited by user 29 January 2016 10:36:49(UTC) \| Reason: Updated the heading
		HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Tiki734		#2 Posted : 25 October 2015 03:32:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Perth		Kimball It's a Marklin HS. From the photo it could be the 700 but if it's got the push pull reversing knob then it's the HS800. The HS 700 has a lever rather than the knob. Pretty rare in this condition and looks complete with no broken pieces. They originally came in a plain red box with the yellow internal cut out. Great find if you don't buy it I would like to give it a try. Roger

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kimballthurlow		#3 Posted : 25 October 2015 05:47:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Roger, So was this HS700 made pre-war? OO? My knowledge of older Marklin (pre-1990s) is very sketchy. regards Kimball
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Tiki734		#4 Posted : 25 October 2015 07:12:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Perth		Kimball The HS700 is pre war and the first version of the HS800 is also pre war. They are really susceptible to zinc pest and normally bits are missing or cracked. Roger

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CCS800KrokHunter3		#5 Posted : 26 October 2015 15:27:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Yes it's a pre-war HS 700, I can tell because of the pick-up shoe there are 2 screws instead of 1 screw. There are other small details that it's an HS 700 and not the HS 800 too as Roger mentioned too Paul
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Tiki734		#6 Posted : 15 November 2015 13:35:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Perth		The lot came up on auction the other day and I gave it a shot and won. I combined with Kimball so we each won as there was some Hornby stuff he wanted. It is a HS700 but has several problems I would be interested in any advice on condition of if it's worth fixing up. I already have a boxed HS 700 in original condition so it's not something I want to keep as I realise how difficult spare parts are to get. I think the paint is original except on one end at the reversing lever slot. The pick up shoe is not original. The reversing lever is missing. Both couplers and some metal loss where they go through the chassis. All 4 steps have broken off. Other than that it's not bad. They would not take the body off to show the internal so I will have to wait. Roger

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Tiki734		#7 Posted : 27 January 2016 13:33:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Perth		Hi It took a while to get the lot as the auction was in the UK. I got it posted to my brothers home near Lanark Scotland and I was over during Christmas and new year so I was able to pick up and hand carry back to Australia. It's just as well as the Hornby track for Kimball weighed 12 kgs and would have cost a fortune in postage. So just as a record if anyone else picks up and HS700 or wants to do some research I have attached some photos. As I suspected the lever end has been very slightly repaired but could be done a lot better. The reversing lever assembly is missing, couplings missing and pick up shoe home made. I nearly picked up a reversing assembly so it gives me hope that they do come up for sale. The couplings are the same as the 34 series passenger wagons but flat and the pick up shoe will come up. Nothing available from Ritter. Enjoy the photos of a very basic engine that has lasted 75 years. I taken some photos with a complete HS700. Roger

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Tiki734		#8 Posted : 27 January 2016 13:35:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 227 Location: Perth		Hi Sorry I forgot to mention that middle wheels do not have flanges. They do not look like they have been filed off. Roger


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kimballthurlow		#9 Posted : 28 January 2016 00:36:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Roger, Thanks for the pics, a very interesting model. Is it possible that the missing reverse mechanism, and the change of pick up shoe, would allow the loco to be used on a DC layout? For example, on a Hornby Dublo layout? Both missing items seem to be inclusive. And what years was this HS700 available? regards Kimball
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#10 Posted : 28 January 2016 04:56:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Hi Roger, Beautiful locos, thanks for sharing! It looks like you may have both versions of the HS 700 now. The one from 1937 and 1938. Did you notice that one has a slightly darker red pained bumper than the other, which is more orange? The red one is likely earlier from 1937 and the other is from 1938. This was very common with Marklin, they started painting with more orange colors in late 1937/38. You'll notice it too on the outer frames of some R 700 and HR 700 locos. However, if the dark red bumper loco truly is from 1937, then it should have the black claw couplers (KK1) and the other would have the silver claw (KK3). So those may be reversed?? But I believe you are right, you can take the black claw couplers off of a less-desirable wagon, flatten them out and should be able to fit on the loco. Best wishes, Paul PS. I believe I have a spare pickup shoe and reversing unit...if you're interested email me and I'll double check my stock.
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kimballthurlow		#11 Posted : 29 January 2016 10:39:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		The heading has been updated to reflect the satisfying results of my original query. To all who participated, I thank you for your input. And it is another testimony to the value of this forum, thank you Juhan. regards Kimball
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river6109		#12 Posted : 29 January 2016 13:38:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Kimball, here is a copy of the HS 700 and HS 800 locomotive from the Koll's catalogue, I'll translate it into English HS 700/1: DR E 18 produced 1937 marked as HS 700 colour; grren material: cast iron brushes: visible front and rear bogies: disc wheels 2 Pantographs (2) Claw coupling (2.2) length: 16.5MM HS 700/2: produced in 1938 2 Pantographs (2.1) claw coupling ((3) HS 800/1: produced 1938-1939 colour green blue roof: grey-blue marked as HS 800 pantographs and claw coupling the same as above HS K 700/2 produced: 4 years from 1940-1942, 1945 Pantographs (2.2) handle coupling (4) HS 800/3 produced in 1946 colour green handle coupling (4.1) HS 800/4 produced in 1946 colour green-blue HS 800/5 produced in 1947 HS 800/6 produced in 1947 same as HS 800/3 Handle coupling (4.2) HS 800/7 produced in 1947-1948 Pantographs (4.1) handle coupling (4.2) roof colour : beige grew a similar loco was produced by a firm: Loukota of Czechoslovakia but this loco was not fitted with Märklin parts. John
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