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Offline tjhcom  
#1 Posted : 24 November 2015 23:57:18(UTC)
tjhcom

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I have a 60652 driving a 66185 transformer acquired as part of a starter set. This mobile station is no longer working. I have tested the transformer which still works. I have not actually tested the dedicated piece of track that connects to the mobile station.

The symptoms: the mobile station's display does not function at all, and neither do any of the controls. I did check all of the plug components which appear to be straight and intact. Any known issues with the 60652? I have thought about just replacing this one component but want to make sure this product is not prone to this type of failure.

Thanks

Tom
Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 25 November 2015 07:23:00(UTC)
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Tom,

If I remember correctly, that unit requires that both the power supply and the controller be plugged into the special track section. That track has two plugs that can be used for individual controllers. Have you tried plugging the MS2 into the plug that you do not normally use?

Next question: Have you tested the power output of the transformer to make sure that it is providing power to the MS2 and track?

My recommendation would be to test this unit using another transformer and another track section. If you can get to your nearest Maerklin dealer, he may be able to assist.
The problem could be with any of the three components. You will have to test by elimination to find out which one is troublesome. One quick test you can do is to get a wire and plug of the same size as the one from your transformer and try powering the MS2 using a 9V battery (with correct polarity). This should at least provide enough power to tell you whether the MS2 is working (LED).

You can also contact Marklin USA's digital specialists To contact Curtis Yeung and Rick Sinclair for help with your Digital and product related questions:
Phone: 650-569-1318 Hours: 6:00am – 9:00pm PST. Monday through Friday.
E-mail: digital@marklin.com

At some point, you may have to replace some of the parts or upgrade to a newer transformer or controller.

Regards

Mike C
Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 25 November 2015 08:17:39(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
That track has two plugs that can be used for individual controllers. Have you tried plugging the MS2 into the plug that you do not normally use?
The track box has a 10-pin socket (for the Master MS) and a 7-pin socket (for the Slave MS). The 7-pin socket will show no function if there is no Master MS connected to the 10-pin socket.

The MS has no LEDs, just one LCD. 9 V may not be enough to see something. Input is for DC and polarity does not matter.
In fact, a test with reversed polarity may work if the defect is in the track box. 16 V AC can also be used.

It could be that the MS no longer works as a Master, but may still work as a Slave. Adapter 60124 is needed for a Slave connection (after obtaining a new, working Master).

The Mobile Stations 60652 sometimes stop working - apparently for different reasons. Some say they fail often, but I don't think so. OTOH they do not seem to be very reliable either.
The 60652 currently achieve rather high prices on eBay.de. It might make sense to pay a bit more for a 60653+60113 and a new power supply.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Best Ripper  
#4 Posted : 25 November 2015 23:30:38(UTC)
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60652 is MS1, not MS2. It needs: track line 24088 or digital box 60115 - only theese two items. If you try to connect to box 60113 - it's will not work. Station must be connected to left 10-pin socket of 24088 or 60115. All connections MUST be done before switching power on - plug&play doesn't work here. The output voltage from trafo must be 16 V AC or 18 V DC.
The M* stations MUST be connected:
1. only to one point of the track.
2. Only via one track or digital box
3. Never to be used with AC trafo at the same time!
4. Power for MS must not be used for lights, turnouts and other items.
5. For MS1 - first connection then power on.

If 60652 is not working at all, it's very possible to be damaged - it's very easy if you didn't obey point 3!
As reason for possible damage is when you didn't obey points 4&5 too.
I hope it's not dead. I hope you didn't do something.
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 25 November 2015 23:42:16(UTC)
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It needs: track line 24088 or digital box 60115 - only theese two items.
No, it can also be used with 60111. Or with 60212, 60213, 60214, 60215. Or ESU 50000 and ESU 50200. So many options.

Originally Posted by: Best Ripper Go to Quoted Post
The output voltage from trafo must be 16 V AC or 18 V DC.
It works fine with 22 V DC. Transformers never have DC output voltage.
9 V is rather low, but it may be enough for a short function test (without trying to run a loco). But because the voltage is so low, this test might lead to a false negative.

Originally Posted by: Best Ripper Go to Quoted Post
All connections MUST be done before switching power on - plug&play doesn't work here.
Wrong.
Regards
Tom
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#6 Posted : 26 November 2015 04:33:11(UTC)
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regarding the MS 1 there had been 2 versions one with 1.2 Amp and 1 with 1.9 Amp, both had problems with the red knob whereas the data just wouldn't be able to be controlled anymore, secondly the unit just died.

Märklin has sent me at least 8 of these units free of charge without asking me sending them back, so I knew there was a major fault within these MS units and I think behind the scenes they've fixed it as the exchanged ones haven't failed so far. buying them on ebay, (they could be new) you could still finish up with these faulty units., why not send Märklin an email and tell them about it and they may come to the party and exchange it for a newer trouble less version, free of charge.

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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 26 November 2015 08:16:12(UTC)
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why not send Märklin an email and tell them about it and they may come to the party and exchange it for a newer trouble less version, free of charge.
I only had problems with one MS1. I sent it back to Märklin within the 2 year warranty period.
The replied they would replace it for seventy-odd Euros.
I replied I expected a warranty repair. In return they offered to fix it for fourty-odd Euros.
I insisted. Finally I got it free (they wrote they hadn't seen the invoice I included with the return parcel).

Long story short: It cannot harm to e-mail them, but after such a long time they may not be willing to replace them for free.

There were at least two versions with 1.9 A. To some extent these versions can be identified under OPTIONS => INFO.
Regards
Tom
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Offline tjhcom  
#8 Posted : 26 November 2015 18:51:05(UTC)
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WOW Thank you for all of your help and ideas! I have another set with the same transformer and a Digital Station 2 so was able to do, as Mike C recommended, some root cause analysis. The transformer is fine. My other set has the same transformer and they both produce the same output. As for the piece of track with the two ports, I did attempt to plug the Digital Station 2 into that track (left plug, master) with the transformer attached and it did not power up. Does anyone know if that track, 24188, should work with the Digital Station 2? If it should, the track might be the problem. I also tried the non-functioning Digital Station to the controller box 60113 and it did not work, as expected, per Best Ripper's post.

So it is either the track or the Digital Station. Does anyone know which pins in the Digital Station take power? I could try sending power directly to the station and seeing if that works. Also I could test the same ports with the track with the volt meter....

Thanks again for all of your help!

Tom
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#9 Posted : 26 November 2015 20:33:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tjhcom Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know if that track, 24188, should work with the Digital Station 2?
This cannot work.
The 24088 contains four diodes and a capacitor - not much that could fail.
Bent pins in the plug could be an issue.

The pin assignment can be found in this PDF file:
https://www.toottoot.co....n%20Box%20Lead%20vi5.pdf
Regards
Tom
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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 27 November 2015 04:40:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tjhcom Go to Quoted Post
WOW Thank you for all of your help and ideas! I have another set with the same transformer and a Digital Station 2 so was able to do, as Mike C recommended, some root cause analysis. The transformer is fine. My other set has the same transformer and they both produce the same output. As for the piece of track with the two ports, I did attempt to plug the Digital Station 2 into that track (left plug, master) with the transformer attached and it did not power up. Does anyone know if that track, 24188, should work with the Digital Station 2? If it should, the track might be the problem. I also tried the non-functioning Digital Station to the controller box 60113 and it did not work, as expected, per Best Ripper's post.

So it is either the track or the Digital Station. Does anyone know which pins in the Digital Station take power? I could try sending power directly to the station and seeing if that works. Also I could test the same ports with the track with the volt meter....

Thanks again for all of your help!

Tom


Somewhere I remember reading that the 24088 and the MS2 have to be connected before power is provided. Make sure that the connections are made in the proper order and let us know if you still have the same issues.

Am I to understand that you have a pair of transformers, 60652s and 24088s? Is there one set that is working? If so, try interchanging one piece at a time.
If 24188.1, 60652.1 and transformer 1 all work, try the same set up with transformer 2. If it does not work, then the problem is likely to be with the transformer. If it works, go back to the original transformer and swap the 24088. If it does not work, then the problem is likely with the 24188. Go back to the working 24088 (reference) and swap the 60652. If it does not work, then the problem is with the MS2.

Regards

Mike C
Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 27 November 2015 08:11:01(UTC)
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Somewhere I remember reading that the 24088 and the MS2 have to be connected before power is provided. Make sure that the connections are made in the proper order and let us know if you still have the same issues.
It makes no sense to connect an MS2 to an 24088.
Order does not matter when connecting an MS1 to an 24088.

It seems the thread starter has a complete MS1 set with 24088 and a complete MS2 set with 60113.
MS1 does not work with 60113, MS2 does not work with 24088. Only possible cross-check is swapping the transformers.
Regards
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Offline tjhcom  
#12 Posted : 29 November 2015 20:59:07(UTC)
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I sent an email to Marklin and will share what I learn. Thanks.
Offline Best Ripper  
#13 Posted : 29 November 2015 21:28:08(UTC)
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H0, sorry, but you're trying to reject my personal practical experience. My first station was 60652, then I bought starset with 60653. So believe me I had tested all what I have written. I tried them in all possible configurations both in the same time. I unterstood how they can and can not work.
Of course, 60111 can be used with 60652, but this box is for Spur 1. I didn't believe tjhcom had this scale.
Not plug&play function is written in manual but I tried it on 24088 track - the station started but nothing more.
Yes, the old M* trafos are giving AC power out but many of new starsets are equipped with adaptors for wall outlet and there output power are 18V DC!
I have startset 29483 with MS2 powered by Marklin power unit 66361 36VA and startset 29541 with station 67025 powered by 66201 18VA. On the labels of both adaptors is written PRI 230VAC & SEC 18VDC. You want photos?
Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 29 November 2015 22:13:58(UTC)
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H0, sorry, but you're trying to reject my personal practical experience.
No, but you used "MUST" and "ONLY" too often. "Only" is wrong when there are other options. "Must" is wrong when there are other options.
I have several 60652 and they work fine with 22 V DC. Are you rejecting my personal practical experience?
I successfully tried plug'n'play a few times.

60112 and 60113 are the same except for the plugs at the end of the cable.
I am sure 60111 and 60115 are the same except for the plugs at the end of the cable. Can be used with any gauge.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 29 November 2015 22:52:47(UTC)
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There is no reason at all to power the 60652 + 24088/60111/60115 up after the connection, it is all plug and play.

In the 24088/60111/60115 on the power-supply-side is only 4 diodes and a capacitor, and on the power out side only a connection to the tracks; thus plugging the 60652 in is the same as powering it up.

It also works when you have two 60652 connected, one master and one slave; I've just tested it to be sure.

No matter if you connect the master or the slave first, the system will work with both units once they are both connected.

However, a general rule for connecting electronic equipment is to connect first and power up after, and that's what I usually do.

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Offline tjhcom  
#16 Posted : 03 December 2015 13:53:02(UTC)
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I heard back from Marklin. Since they 'no longer support' the original Mobile Station, they suggest that I buy a new Mobile Station 2 (and controller box). I guess that is what I will do. Thanks again for all of your help!

Regards,

Tom
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