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Offline Mark5  
#1 Posted : 12 October 2015 05:02:35(UTC)
Mark5

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As some of you know, I have a keen interest in how trains have been filmed and how that might look when thinking of the MMR world.
Here might be some inspiration for your own video work with your trains.


Let me know what you think. I like hearing ideas about this topic to spur my own thinking.
Also any ideas on the closest date of the actual film?

Peace,
Mark

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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline Token  
#2 Posted : 12 October 2015 06:46:17(UTC)
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I love it! The idea of a 'birds eye view' or more to our point, a model railway view.

Thanks for the video.

Michael.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 12 October 2015 12:43:23(UTC)
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Interesting video! I recognised many of the locations, from Brunel's Albert Bridge in Plymouth to the Glenfinnan Viaduct on the West Highland Railway.

It's amazing, though, how quickly a video like this has dated. You see none of the Private operators of today, no mention of the "Voyager" trains that are so much part of today's intercity rail scene, no mention of the West Coast main line, etc.
Ray
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Offline Mark5  
#4 Posted : 12 October 2015 22:09:19(UTC)
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Did anyone notice the crazy flying these helicopters must have done for the shots? I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone to do that kind of flying nowadays.
The result though is some really elegant, if at times head spinning, film work.

My favorite part is seeing, and flying around, the industrial installations and getting to observe the interaction with ore and the railway using diesel locomotives.

- Mark
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Offline analogmike  
#5 Posted : 13 October 2015 02:45:33(UTC)
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Hello Mark, great stuff! Watching these videos makes me realize just how horribly two dimensional my previous layouts have been. I never realized how many roads and highways bridge over the rail road. I must add this to my next layout. thanks, mikey
I love the smell of smoke fluid in the morning .
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Offline Chook  
#6 Posted : 13 October 2015 03:54:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone notice the crazy flying these helicopters must have done for the shots? I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone to do that kind of flying nowadays.
- Mark


Yes as a pilot myself every internal instinct was screaming wire strike.
I fly rotary wing (gyrocopter) and would not consider flying that low at that speed in a built up and occupied area.
Times have changed.

And thanks for sharing this post.

Regards............Chook.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#7 Posted : 13 October 2015 04:11:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
...I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone to do that kind of flying nowadays.
...- Mark


These techniques are routinely used in parts of Australia for mustering cattle.
Dangerous work though.

Thanks for the link, it was fascinating.

Early on Ray, they did show the streamlined Coronation Scot on the west coast mainline.

regards
Kimball
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Offline PJMärklin  
#8 Posted : 13 October 2015 07:41:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
As some of you know, I have a keen interest in how trains have been filmed and how that might look when thinking of the MMR world.
Here might be some inspiration for your own video work with your trains.


Let me know what you think. I like hearing ideas about this topic to spur my own thinking.

Peace,
Mark

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Hello Mark,

Thanks for the post.

Fantastic train views ........ and even wilder helicopter flying !!


Regards,

PJ
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Offline utkan  
#9 Posted : 13 October 2015 12:41:15(UTC)
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I really enjoyed watching the whole bit....wonderful....ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

Thanks for sharing it with us Mark....ThumpUp
Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you...
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Offline Chipopo  
#10 Posted : 13 October 2015 14:32:11(UTC)
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ThumpUp Nice ThumpUp
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Offline Mark5  
#11 Posted : 13 October 2015 15:42:53(UTC)
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Thanks for the responses gentlemen,

Good point Mike,

There are many ways to cheat with a two-d layout, by building it up on one side and cutting valleys on another side or any combination with those two.
If you can work underpasses and overpasses into that then its another plus.
- Mark

Thanks for the comments on the low-flying helicopter Kimball, Chook, and PJ.

Did you notice at one point the sheep running away from the cameraman's approaching helicopter?
I always wondered how effective the herding of animals was by helicopter.
One thing, it seems to me it would effectively scare the death out of them.
Maybe a bit harder than herding our locomotives, but then again we have them on rails. Wink

Peace,
- Mark




Originally Posted by: analogmike Go to Quoted Post
Hello Mark, great stuff! Watching these videos makes me realize just how horribly two dimensional my previous layouts have been. I never realized how many roads and highways bridge over the rail road. I must add this to my next layout. thanks, mikey


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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#12 Posted : 14 October 2015 01:40:11(UTC)
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Hi all,
The film reminds me of the images conjured in my head by countless books.
And in one case a poem, by W H Auden as below, in part:

"This is the night mail crossing the Border,
Bringing the cheque and the postal order,

Letters for the rich, letters for the poor,
The shop at the corner, the girl next door.

Pulling up Beattock, a steady climb:
The gradient's against her, but she's on time.

Past cotton-grass and moorland boulder
Shovelling white steam over her shoulder,

..... " and so on.

The written and spoken words are indeed as lively as a film.

The complete poem can be found here. http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/night-mail-2/

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#13 Posted : 14 October 2015 14:51:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
The film reminds me of the images conjured in my head by countless books.
And in one case a poem, by W H Auden as below, in part:

"This is the night mail crossing the Border,
Bringing the cheque and the postal order,

Letters for the rich, letters for the poor,
The shop at the corner, the girl next door.

Pulling up Beattock, a steady climb:
The gradient's against her, but she's on time.

Past cotton-grass and moorland boulder
Shovelling white steam over her shoulder,

..... " and so on.

The written and spoken words are indeed as lively as a film.

The complete poem can be found here. http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/night-mail-2/

regards
Kimball


There is a British Rail film called 'The night Train' IIRC, where that poem is the sound track as the film follows a train.

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Offline witzlerh  
#14 Posted : 14 October 2015 20:44:29(UTC)
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Many thanks for this post. I just finished watching the "film".
The question came up at the end as to what will happen in the next 50 years in areal photography.

Now about 25 years later, we have drones. Some are rather powerful and have good range and speed.

The rail network is more busy than since the film was produced. We also have trains with more speed and sleeker, better looks.

However, I would agree with previous posts that it would be more difficult to be able to take as close up to the subject as it has in the past.

I did recognize near the end that very close takes were done on moving cars that had placard stating "Out of service"....

I would have loved to be a passenger on one of those trips!

That being said, I still think that it is possible to reproduce the photography today but more permissions will have to be sought out.

This reminds me of a recent IMAX movie on the Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson called Rocky Mountain Express filmed in the Rockies. Now I want to watch it again!
Harald
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Offline Mark5  
#15 Posted : 15 October 2015 00:51:58(UTC)
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The IMAX film Rocky Mountain Express should be available on DVD if I remember correctly.
A brilliant work of cinematography and camera, I saw this in the Montreal IMAX at the science center at least 3 times and was just thrilled and smiling with joy each time I saw it.

Unfortunately it appears that it has done all its theatre runs in North America and most places abroad....
... however... for you lads down under it will be showing in Melbourne in March of 2016.
See the schedule from the website here:
http://www.rockymountain...updates/where-to-see-it/

Lets us know if you can see it.

BTW thanks Kimball for the Auden poem.
I used to read more of his poetry years ago.
Would love to edit a collection of railway related poetry someday.
Seems to me the cadence and music of the rails can be well evoked with a well-written verse.
Perhaps we start a post collecting a few?

Cheers,
Mark

Originally Posted by: witzlerh Go to Quoted Post
....

This reminds me of a recent IMAX movie on the Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson called Rocky Mountain Express filmed in the Rockies. Now I want to watch it again!
DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#16 Posted : 15 October 2015 01:56:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
......... the Auden poem.
I used to read more of his poetry years ago.
Would love to edit a collection of railway related poetry someday.
Seems to me the cadence and music of the rails can be well evoked with a well-written verse.
Perhaps we start a post collecting a few?

Cheers,
Mark


Hi Mark.

Go for it.... the editing and the post.

You may pick up one on ebay, but I have a little booklet, a collection of railway prose and poems.
Title "The Train" compiled by Roger Green, OUP 1982, 110 pages, line illustrations.
Strangely, it quotes a few of Auden, but not "Night Mail".

regards
Kimball
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