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#1 Posted : 29 June 2012 23:42:05(UTC)
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Hi everybody, as you may remember a time ago i have got a Kaiser Wilhelm II set, who was a long time dream if me. But the loco was a very dissapointing thing, she does not have the power to pull ok the full consist, she stalls a lot, a had a broken gear...etc.....
So i bought an 390901 Fleishmann S10. I'm so happy!!!!!
She runs ok, she can pull the full consist with no problems. Only two things:
She has the motor in the tender.. Bored
And the boiler lacks a little of weight so she derails easily on M track, nothing that cant be solved with no major troubles....
I will put a picture of it.
I am rebuilding the ramp so i cannot show how she moves trough the whole layout, but i will put a video when i have it done.

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#2 Posted : 30 June 2012 00:40:02(UTC)
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Francisco,

dont worry about that. I and a lot of others have purchased , HAG, Brawa, Roco, Piko and other Brands.
If it fits and you like it that's all that matters:

Rule 1: It is my railway and I will run and do as I please.

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#3 Posted : 30 June 2012 03:36:50(UTC)
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Francisco,

So what happened to the original loco ?

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#4 Posted : 30 June 2012 05:37:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
She has the motor in the tender.. Bored
All Fleischmann locos with tender have it that way - and in my experience, most of them run fine.
Cannot speak for M track, but no real problems on C track.
The boiler will be a hollow plastic tube - enough space for some extra weight if needed. Maybe there is not enough pressure on the running axles?

More than a dozen companies make models for 3R. It's not heresy to buy them (just don't mention they look so much better than M*'s locos or some will call you a rivet counter ... Wink).
Regards
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#5 Posted : 30 June 2012 06:41:37(UTC)
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Hi Francisco,

I'd better get round to trying my Set then, still hasn't been run. Smile

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#6 Posted : 30 June 2012 07:31:00(UTC)
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Very nice loco, Francisco ThumpUp

I don't have any Fleischmann locos yet, but they do seem beautifully made.

(of course, to make up for the heresy you must go out and buy another Marklin loco quickly!) LOL
Ray from the Rock.
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#7 Posted : 30 June 2012 08:01:10(UTC)
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I believe the Märklin S10 is actually a Trix model.

It is interesting that you had a broken gear,
because exactly the same thing has happened to my friend's Märklin Kaiser Wilhelm S10.

I am trying to source a new gear for him (they are plastic :( ), but we have been told by a dealer that the current S10 gears have been modified and are now thicker.

Can anyone confirm this, and if so, can anyone suggest how I can repair this loco?

Many Thanks
Ashley
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#8 Posted : 30 June 2012 08:19:01(UTC)
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I remember reading in the catalogue at the time that the S10 tooling had been modified. I believe it was to improve the pulling power and to correct a couple of flaws in the design of the original chassis.

Ashley, I would speak to the Marklin service centre and ask their advice.
Ray from the Rock.
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#9 Posted : 30 June 2012 12:41:10(UTC)
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Francisco,

If i would have this magnificent set i would not run it at all!
The amount of fragile detail is such that i would not even dare taking the risk of any sort of damage to this costly and rare set.
In comparison,i own a complete Rheingold set of a BR18 steamloco plus tinplate Rheingold coaches,it is locked up in one of my display cabinets hung on the wall so that risk of damage is minimal.
Having learned from my mistakes when running M trains,in my mind i have made a separation between "basic" Maerklin trains from startersets and the Hobby/My World programme versus the more costly and rare Maerklin items prone to accidental damage.
Looking at the picture you submitted your layout is pretty rough,are you sure putting this beautiful set at risk?
To me it is like our Queen Beatrix going into town wearing her crown jewels!
Mind you,in case of damage,the supply of spareparts,if at all for sale,will gradually die out.
To me it would be unbearable to own a costly and unique Maerklin item which is less than perfect.
Imagine owning a classic car without wheels!
Needless to say it is entirely up to you,you are the boss over your trains.

By the way: what make is the BR24 in camouflage colors in the background?
Is that homemade or Piko,Lilliput or what?

Cheers,
Paul.
Maerklin:the dream will live on!
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#10 Posted : 30 June 2012 13:41:18(UTC)
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Hi Paul,

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I have to say I couldn't disagree more with you!

What is the point of buying a model train and then keeping it in a box? These are toys, expensive or otherwise, and they are designed to be played with. Why would they put motors and decoders in them if you're supposed to lock it away in a glass case?

To use your analogy of a car, would you buy a Ferrari and keep it in the showroom? I would have it on the road before the ink on the purchase contract was dry! BigGrin

Yes, it would be unfortunate if the train was damaged, but at least you are getting the enjoyment from it that was intended.
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#11 Posted : 30 June 2012 14:04:05(UTC)
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Ray,

As you say,everyone is entitled to have their opinion.

There are plenty classic car collectors who put their costly cars away,and there are plenty who drive them to pieces!
Which Ferrari would have the highest trading value,the one from the museum or the one left in a ditch at the roadside?

You say that Maerklin trains are toys,i tend to disagree with that,my definition of a Maerklin train is not "toy".
Also,i tend to disagree with you that per definition they are designed to play with.
In the Maerklin museum in Goeppingen the most costly trains are locked up in display cabinets,for obvious reasons.
I have been on numerous modelrailway fairs,including Eurospoor in Utrecht,The Netherlands.
I have seen seldom collections of Maerklin/Trix/Fleischmann trains locked up in glass showcases just to be watched in admiration by visitors to the fair.
Do you really think people would be mad enough to let those seldom items run their rounds on hastely erected layouts at the fair?
Ever seen a Maerklin Big Boy being run to pieces that way?

Enjoyment is a private affair,my angle is "keeping value",yours may be different.
There are plenty Maerklin trains you can let run their rounds on a rough layout,but why using the most costly trains for that?
Why going to the office in a Ferrari if you can use a cheaper down to earth car for that?

About costly cars and their remaining value,watch this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Cu7rOCuzU

And their somewhat more valuable counterparts:

www.thegallerybrummen.nl/nl_NL/welkom.html

Cheers,
Paul.

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#12 Posted : 30 June 2012 14:04:52(UTC)
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hi everybody. thanks for your replies. Tom, i think that is exactly the trouble, the loco derails only in turnouts when the third rail lift the pickup shoe a little more. im convinced that with some extra weight she will do perfectly.
Ashley, interesting note, i dont know about the retooling but the part number includes the whole gear train so perhaps that is the reason, sadly it is not available from marklin anymore. here in coyhaique we have an artisan who repairs all kind of guns and little things and his work is great. i think i will ask him if he can make the gear. if so i have no problems in order two of them ( four really to replace both of the plastic ones) in the meantime i will continue the search for the original spare.
Paul, trains are made to be run....at least for me. my layout is indeed rough but there are little chances of big falls or such things. on the other hand the set itself is not that fragile. the ludwig II set is fragile.....but it looks so nice running....you will have a heart attack if you see it. :)
of course everyone use his trains the way he likes. always there are post about running or display...and there will always be....
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#13 Posted : 30 June 2012 14:16:20(UTC)
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one last word, the value of my trains , or any othet of my toys ( you should see my 78 Bronco) is given by the amount of joy i get from them, playing, repairing or just watching them. they are not, and will not ever be, for sale.
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#14 Posted : 30 June 2012 14:27:35(UTC)
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Dear All,

I once purchased two Rheingold tinplate coaches out of set 28503 at Eurospoor fair,Utrecht.
To me they looked perfect.
Later on i decided to sell them,should not have done that.
A gentleman from Antwerp travelled by car to me in the Rotterdam area just to see them with his own eyes.
With his eagle eyes he found a very faint scratch on one of the roofs and doubted if he should continue the purchase.
He then told me he was only collecting Maerklin tinplate coaches in perfect condition,any scratch would give him sleepless nights!
He bought them in the end,i suspect he has given the roof a fresh paintspray instantly!
Just goes to show that for some people Maerklin is more than a toy.

Paul.

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#15 Posted : 30 June 2012 14:57:48(UTC)
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Paul, i dont use the word "toy" in a peyorative way......they are MY toys, the most lovely, beautiful and enjoyable ones in the world...
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#16 Posted : 30 June 2012 15:27:44(UTC)
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i almost fotgot that.
the BR 24 is a marklin 3003, hand made that i have found on ebay a while ago.
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#17 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:10:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
i think that is exactly the trouble, the loco derails only in turnouts when the third rail lift the pickup shoe a little more. im convinced that with some extra weight she will do perfectly.
Sometimes the pickup shoe is not straight (parallel to the rails) and cannot freely move upwards. I've had this with a Roco loco. So maybe the pickup shoe just needs a re-adjustment.

Regards
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#18 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:16:48(UTC)
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Current selling price on Ebay.de for the Kaiser Wilhelm II set 2881/2681 is roughly around Euro 700.- to Euro 800.-,provided in mint condition,in box.
I would not call that a toy,but perhaps in Holland we are a bit more sober living (=less debts!) than in the rest of the world......

Paul.
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#19 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:26:17(UTC)
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This 275 GT is driven, if not daily - certainly regularly and even loaned (heresy) to a very dodgy character indeed from time to timeBigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
Never had it in a ditch though. (Yet).
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#20 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:35:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
In the Maerklin museum in Goeppingen the most costly trains are locked up in display cabinets,for obvious reasons.
Yes, but these are really rare (if not unique) items.

If everybody keeps his/her 2011 Insider Model untouched in the box, the value will never rise.
Many have to play with their 2011 Insider Models - and if 99 % are smashed and thrown away, the few untouched ones in the boxes will be truly worthy.
Same with cars. An early Volkswagen Beetle bought more than 60 years ago and stored ever since in a vacuum would be worth a lot today - Ferraris are a different matter, but for some who can afford it they are just vehicles.

The Kaiser Wilhelm II. train set is much rarer than the 2011 Insider Model and has better chances to see its value rising. I understand if people run this train set on the layout.
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#21 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:41:27(UTC)
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if you think well, 700 euros for a loco and six tinplate cars, is not that expensive, you can expend the same or more for a loco and that numbet of cars bought separately
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#22 Posted : 30 June 2012 16:44:20(UTC)
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a quick look on ebay show marklin s10 ranging between 400 and 600 USD, and just for the loco.
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#23 Posted : 30 June 2012 20:42:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
a quick look on ebay show marklin s10 ranging between 400 and 600 USD, and just for the loco.

franciscohg,

So, looks like you got a good deal, and in addition ... you're having fun with it; this is the basics imho ^^ !

Enjoy ! Woot

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#24 Posted : 30 June 2012 21:05:07(UTC)
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hi, the wilhelm set was on his price. The fleischmann loco was very cheap. 200 euro. the same is still listed for 450
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#25 Posted : 30 June 2012 21:15:44(UTC)
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I commit heresy every two or three days ^^ LOL

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#26 Posted : 01 July 2012 02:12:03(UTC)
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Ok, back home from work, i did check the loco. The slider is ok, dont like too much the way it is fixed BTW. And the boiler is solid. no way to put anything on it.........so i'm thinking of another way to power the loco, we will see...........
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#27 Posted : 01 July 2012 07:14:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jeremy Palmer Go to Quoted Post
This 275 GT is driven, if not daily - certainly regularly and even loaned (heresy) to a very dodgy character indeed from time to timeBigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
Never had it in a ditch though. (Yet).




Hi Jeremy,

Maybe dodgy, but a very lucky man indeed. Smile ThumpUp

Ian.

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#28 Posted : 01 July 2012 08:16:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
I believe the Märklin S10 is actually a Trix model.

It is interesting that you had a broken gear,
because exactly the same thing has happened to my friend's Märklin Kaiser Wilhelm S10.

I am trying to source a new gear for him (they are plastic :( ), but we have been told by a dealer that the current S10 gears have been modified and are now thicker.

Can anyone confirm this, and if so, can anyone suggest how I can repair this loco?

Many Thanks
Ashley


Just picking up this thread...

I had one of my model RR colleagues from Belgium with the exact same problem.

I have helped him by manufacturing the darn part...in brass this time!

Theoretically, it is just a pair of coumpound gears Mod 0.3 (Märklin usually uses Mod 0.4) , which I assembled/pressed together from pre-cut gears.
It is not an easy task, as the dimensions are very small and the part are difficult to mount on the lathe and milling machine.

(How do you hold a 5 mm diam gear in a lathe's mandrel without damaging the teeth?)

In addition the margin for error is about 1/100th of a mm, otherwise the gears "bend" when re-installed in the loco.

I ended up manufacturing a couple of specific mandrels to be able to hold the darn thing on the machines.

For some strange reasons, the dimensions (primitive diameter, outside diameter) of the original plastic part *does not* match the Mod 0.3 specification, and are slightly smaller.

I have a hard time understanding Märklin/TRIX reasons for this discrepancy...so I suspect this was a CAD product, generated by an "unexperienced" design engineer (lots of theory, just no practice..)

To compensate all this , I ended up re-manufacturing the parts, replacing the 14 teeth pinion by a 13 teeth one.

Worked like a charm, providing a somewhat higher demultiplication , which serves the running characteristics well.

The only problem: the pre-cut gears + the other materials cost about €60.00...and I am not counting my time.

So let me know if you are interested...

Cheers



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#29 Posted : 01 July 2012 10:08:44(UTC)
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Gentlemen, I have just struck gold!!

With grateful thanks for your offers of help Francisco and Jacques, but searching on German eBay this morning has lead me to find these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...1439.l2649#ht_866wt_1146

I guess this guy has had the gears manufactured for him, still 2 left in stock as I type this, if you translate his description you will realise that there are 2 in the gearbox. Only one of my friend's gears is broken, but the other is sure to go, so I bought 2, maybe we should buy more if this guy has more than 2 left, but I have left them for you Francisco. 5 Euros each by the way.

The dealer only accepts bank transfer, which at least from the UK is very expensive, but never mind.

Best Regards
Ashley
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#30 Posted : 01 July 2012 16:48:59(UTC)
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Thanks Ashley!!!!! Already bought them............
Now to wait for the shipping charges, and then the odissey to make the bank transfer from here ( lots of paperwork and a fixed rate of 30 USD ) but it worth it!!! No doubt!
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#31 Posted : 02 July 2012 18:32:07(UTC)
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Well, Fleischmann S10 derailment problems have been practillay solved just by not allowing reversing flow on the turnouts.
I will show a couple of two little videos showing him

Kaiser Wilhelm II

Kaiser Wilhelm II 2

Just thinking about some earlier discussions, IMHO trains, not matter what make or livery, are meant to be run..........

And now, with the gears of the Marklin S10 bought, thanks to Ashley!!!!, i have also ordered a new Lokpilot V 4.0 for it............to make the set run with my two S10's, just like in one of the pictures of the brochure!!!!
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