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#1 Posted : 11 May 2012 15:55:10(UTC)
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Hi Guys.
With all these new screw type bulbs available from china & the far east which bulbs are best for me to use on a vintage 1950's layout ?

For use in 418 station / 448 lamps / 424B canopy station ?

Thanks Neil (UK)

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#2 Posted : 11 May 2012 17:28:40(UTC)
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Hi Neil,

These bulbs are still available from Märklin:

Quote:
E600100 - Glühlampe hell,19V- E5,5 10 pieces
15,00 € Recommended retail price(VPE: 10)


Regards

Markus
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#3 Posted : 11 May 2012 19:43:30(UTC)
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Slightly off topic, and often mentioned before here...but still amazed that Marklin sells parts for things 50+ years old. I think it's great!
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#4 Posted : 11 May 2012 19:57:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off topic, and often mentioned before here...but still amazed that Marklin sells parts for things 50+ years old. I think it's great!



Hi Brandon.
Yes i too am amazed that Marklin still has these 20 volt bulbs available, it is great .

I prefer the old filament bulbs instead of the new LED type replacements that you can get now, the old types don't last as long i guess but are more original, they use more electric current though.

Neil (UK)
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#5 Posted : 11 May 2012 20:41:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Slightly off topic, and often mentioned before here...but still amazed that Marklin sells parts for things 50+ years old. I think it's great!


Hello,
but the bulbs Markus mentioned are not the original ones for lamp 448, the bulbs are different in size.
The old bulbs (Märklin No 499 ) were 5mm in diameter ( screwing part, E 5) , the new bulbs are 5,5 mm (E 5,5).
This very small difference is the reason, that the new bulbs don't fit with many old sockets.
Best regards
Wolf

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#6 Posted : 11 May 2012 21:18:56(UTC)
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Hi,

I don't remember that I ever had such difficulties, but I mostly bought the bulbs from the BRAWA- assortment, they are cheaper at my dealer.

Regards

Marksu



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#7 Posted : 11 May 2012 22:00:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
...but still amazed that Marklin sells parts for things 50+ years old.
Light bulb #600100 still appears on the 1997 version of the #3000 spare part list.
I don't know when the last factory-installed #600100 was sold (maybe they still sell products with it).

I'm amazed how long locos like #3000 and #3078 have been in the catalogue (but with changing motor brushes and light bulbs).
Regards
Tom
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#8 Posted : 12 May 2012 14:21:59(UTC)
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Hi Guy's.
Thanks for the knowledge on bulbs, how many standard bulbs can i run off one Marklin 30 VA transformer ?

I was thinking of having one transformer for lighting and power for electric points and another transformer for just running the LOKS.


Neil (UK)
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#9 Posted : 12 May 2012 15:52:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 20-VOLT-AC Go to Quoted Post
Hi Guy's.
Thanks for the knowledge on bulbs, how many standard bulbs can i run off one Marklin 30 VA transformer ?

I was thinking of having one transformer for lighting and power for electric points and another transformer for just running the LOKS.


Neil (UK)


Hello Neil,
I count 1 VA for each bulb ( also suggested by Märklin), thus 30 bulbs for one transformer 30 VA.
A loco needs - on average - 10 VA, therefor take one transformer for lightning and switching points / signals.
Best regards
Wolf
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#10 Posted : 13 May 2012 20:23:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 20-VOLT-AC Go to Quoted Post
Hi Guy's.
Thanks for the knowledge on bulbs, how many standard bulbs can i run off one Marklin 30 VA transformer ?

I was thinking of having one transformer for lighting and power for electric points and another transformer for just running the LOKS.


Neil (UK)


Hello Neil,
I count 1 VA for each bulb ( also suggested by Märklin), thus 30 bulbs for one transformer 30 VA.
A loco needs - on average - 10 VA, therefor take one transformer for lightning and switching points / signals.
Best regards
Wolf


Hello Wolf.
Thank you for your helpful advice on this topic, i think your vintage H0 layouts are FantasticO !!

Regards Neil (UK)


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#11 Posted : 14 May 2012 14:06:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 20-VOLT-AC Go to Quoted Post

Hi Brandon.
Yes i too am amazed that Marklin still has these 20 volt bulbs available, it is great .

I prefer the old filament bulbs instead of the new LED type replacements that you can get now, the old types don't last as long i guess but are more original, they use more electric current though.

Neil (UK)


I agree, I just like the colour/quality of the light better. Even with "warm" LEDs it just dosn't look as good to me (subjective of course).

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#12 Posted : 14 May 2012 19:30:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 20-VOLT-AC Go to Quoted Post

Hi Brandon.
Yes i too am amazed that Marklin still has these 20 volt bulbs available, it is great .

I prefer the old filament bulbs instead of the new LED type replacements that you can get now, the old types don't last as long i guess but are more original, they use more electric current though.

Neil (UK)


I agree, I just like the colour/quality of the light better. Even with "warm" LEDs it just dosn't look as good to me (subjective of course).



Hi Brandon.
Yes i am glad you agree with me that original type bulbs are better than LED's !!

Regards Neil.
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#13 Posted : 14 May 2012 20:08:42(UTC)
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Hello
One type of bulb is sometimes difficult to purchase: the white color.
It was used until mid 1950.
Unlike transparent bulb its glass is not glossy but with a matte finish.
They are easy to make yourself by using fine abrasive paper on the bulbe itself. It becomes white.
Cheers
Jean
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